Re: [huml-comment] RE: [huml] Last day to vote on race attributeremoval

[Joseph Norris <jwnorris@humanmarkup.org>]

Hello Everyone,

I concur fully with Ranjeeth's analysis and so vote yes.

Cordially,

Joseph Norris
jwnorris@humanmarkup.org


----- Original Message -----
From: "Ranjeeth Kumar Thunga" <rkthunga@humanmarkup.org>
To: "'Rex Brooks'" <rexb@starbourne.com>; <humanmarkup@lists.oasis-open.org>
Cc: <humanmarkup-comment@lists.oasis-open.org>
Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 9:23 AM
Subject: [huml-comment] RE: [huml] Last day to vote on race attribute
removal


> Thanks Rex,
>
> I think I was a bit unclear in my last post because I didn't emphasize
> what I needed to, so I'm resending it--early morning grog I guess...
>
> To clarify again, I am casting my own vote to, yes, remove the term
> "race" from physicalDescriptor--based on the posts so far, it really
> isn't a specific description of a physical characteristic, but the
> result of a derivation of other characteristics.  It certainly has
> predefined codelists in existence, but there isn't a universally
> accepted definition, so it might as well be best be derived from the
> primary, which would obligate it to be explicitly defined.
>
> However, that doesn't mean that race is also a primary, primordial,
> fundamental personal identity we would like to often communicate.  It
> isn't necessarily a cultural characteristic, but a means of personal
> identity that is at the core of how many of us define ourselves.  To be
> able to communicate or embody the "black experience living in America"
> for example really is an experience not about culture or any specific
> physical description, but something transcendent.  In the ideal world,
> probably we wouldn't define our core self based on our race, but that is
> how we communicate, and a concept we would want to communicate, now.
>
> I'm posting to both groups, as this vote occurred during the public
> comments period.
>
> Ranjeeth Kumar Thunga
>
> I am casting my own vote to yes, remove the term "race" from
> physicalDescriptor--based on the posts, it really isn't a specific
> description of a physical characteristic, but the result of a derivation
> of other characteristics.  It certainly has predefined codelists in
> existence, but there isn't a universally accepted definition, so it
> might as well be best be derived from the primary, which would obligate
> it to be explicitly defined.
>
> It feel it think it does belong in the PBS however, which is why I
> hesitated.  However, that doesn't mean that race is also a primary,
> primordial, fundamental personal identity we would like to often
> communicate.  It isn't necessary a cultural characteristic, but a means
> of personal identity that is at the core of how many of us define
> ourselves.  To be able to communicate or embody the "black experience
> living in America" for example really is experience not about culture or
> any specific physical description, but something transcendent.  In the
> ideal world, possibly we wouldn't define our core self based on our
> race, but that is how we communicate, and a concept we would want to
> communicate, now.
>
> I'm posting to both groups, as it occurred during the public comments
> group.
>
> Ranjeeth Kumar Thunga
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rex Brooks [mailto:rexb@starbourne.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 9:14 AM
> To: humanmarkup@lists.oasis-open.org
> Subject: [huml] Last day to vote on race attribute removal
>
>
> Hi Folks,
>
> Just a reminder that today is the last day of voting on PC-33 to
> remove the attribute race from the attributeGroup physicalDescriptors.
>
> There are still a couple of you who have not voted yet.
>
> Ciao,
> Rex
> --
> Rex Brooks
> Starbourne Communications Design
> 1361-A Addison, Berkeley, CA 94702 *510-849-2309
> http://www.starbourne.com * rexb@starbourne.com
>
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