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Subject: May Minutes
- From: Rex Brooks <rexb@starbourne.com>
- To: huml@lists.oasis-open.org
- Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 09:51:07 -0700
Title: May Minutes
Here are the minutes for this month's meeting. Please review and
post any corrections and/oradditions.
Here are the minutes for this month's
meeting:
May 21, 2003
Teleconference meeting of the OASIS HumanMarkup Technical
Committee.
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Roll Call:
Voting Members:
Rex Brooks
Rob Nixon
Ranjeeth Kumar Thunga
Sylvia Candelaria deRam
Invited Visitor:
Russell Ruggiero
Minutes taken by TC Secretary Rex Brooks
Meeting convened12:05 p.m. Eastern Time
Previous meeting minutes accepted.
This meeting was held on the third Wednesday of the Month.
We did not have a quorum.
As usual, some of these items were actually discussed in a different
sequence from this summary.
Old Business:
Because we did not have a quorum, and also had no official business
which needed a voting quorum, the meeting was largely comprised of
reports on implementations, subcommittee work, liaison opportunities,
outreach endeavors and branstorming.
Rex updated the TC on the gradual development of an expressed need
across TCs to request OASIS to allow subcommittees to recruit special
experts who need not be TC members to address the more focused and
specialized needs of some subcommittees for adequately performing the
tasks of their charters. This is somewhat different from the current
policy that requires special dispensation from the OASIS CEO for
"Invited Experts." This may or may not be relevant to our
subcommittees, but the growing numbers of subcommittees was also
pointed out as a similar development in the TCs in which Rex
participates, and in which he has established informal liaisons.
Our invited visitor, IT industry writer Russell Ruggiero, was
introduced and he informed us about the excellent efforts he has
pursued in writing and publishing his first article about the HumanML
initiative in WSReview (Web Services Review), a publication of The
Thomson Corporation. Russell said that he plans to expand and cntinue
this work handing off information about HumanML to high-end media,
vendors and and analysts so that we can begin to get some traction in
the marketplace and bring attention to the value of our efforts.
Unanimous approval was evidenced for this work, and any momentum this
can bring to the work of the TC.
Ranjeeth mentioned that Owen Ambur of the federal government's xml.gov
working group may get involved with the Conflict Resolution
Subcommittee, through a connection between Owen's interest in freedom
of information through improved records-keeping and HumanML's ability
to expand contextual human information and improve accuracy of that
information.
Rob said that our newest recruit, graduate student Amir Youssefi will
be working with him on the VR-AI Subcommittee's work following the
generally high level of communications between them. Rob also
mentioned that he had been thinking of changing the name of the
subcommittee to avoid the negative baggage carried by the term
"Artificial Intelligence." Sylvia pointed out that there
also needed to be some reference to the field of cognitive science,
and aggreed that AI carries too much unfavorable associations and
connotations. They agreed to pursue this offline.
Russell mentioned in connection with the brainstorming that
accompanied this discussion that he was open to writing on new topics
that any of us wish to point out to him.
Ranjeeth reiterated his request for State-Department-Related Use-Cases
for the purpose of attracting attention and possible funding from that
source through his recent contacts.
One aspect of this outreach effort, Russell pointed out, was the
current emphasis in the corporate world on Return On Investment (ROI)
accounting and decision-making, and the concurrent emphasis in
government on the issues surrounding terrorism. These are the current
interests, according to his observations, that Russell suggests it
would be wise to address.
In this context, outreach efforts such as State Department Use-Cases,
Rob noted that there are tiers of understanding related to State
Department interests, and that we might be well advised to take that
into account. He added that it is important to make sure we do not set
up a misperception that HumanML will solve entire problems or is even
capable of solving large parts of many-layered, historically
intertwined problems such as the ongoing Israeli-Palestinian
conflict.
Russell noted that, in this context, in direct support of Rob's
concern, that emphasizing the role of HumanML as a global equalizer is
best expressed by focusing on HumanML as an improvement in the
exchange of information. By focusing on that, we defuse emotional
context within the expressions of one person or group to another.
Ranjeeth agreed with that and added that it is probably a good idea to
emphasize the idea that HumanML can help "explore" issues to
find areas where HumanML can improve accuracy and understanding.
In a wide ranging discussion such as this, it is sometimes difficult
to place comments from the Secretary's notes into their correct
sequence, and the point of this paragraph is a case in point. I will
italicize that point when I get to it. What happened is that Rob
actually mentioned earlier on that one aspect of
State-Department-related issues is that often individuals and groups
have vested interests in preventing the kind of improved accuracy that
HumanML seeks to bring to communications, particularly in Conflict
Resolution terms. We did not pursue this aspect precisely because it
came earlier and the nature of the discussion swept on from the point
prior to this paragraph.
It seemed more important to put it above, where the context of
discussing how to best portray HumanML makes it particularly
important.
The discussion moved on to discuss ways to portray Use Cases.
Rob noted that in negotiations between sets of negotiators for two
groups seated opposite each other at a conference table, where lead
negotiators address each other directly while representative members
of their respective groups are present, the situation is rife for
feedback loops which amplify the emotional responses of each group and
can lead to catastrophe.
Ranjeeth mentioned that he thought it was important to emphasize in
any description of such a Use Case that these were "congitive"
feedback loops fed by each groups intentions, understandings, etc.
Sylvia started to offer an analysis from her perspective to illustrate
this feedback loop, but it was not immediately clear what she
meant.
It was however, agreed that Sylvia would post this simplified
cognitive semiosis analysis so that we could apply it as a framework
for diagramming interactions in the use cases we provide since all use
cases will likely involve two, or more, groups led in any interactions
by individuals speaking for those groups, and so we can have a common
method of explaining and analyzing examples.
Our discussion had taken us beyond our normal time limit, which
Ranjeeth pointed out to us when he requested that Rex summarize the
specific issues he had wanted to raise in relation to the Human
Physcial Characteristics Description Markup Language Subcommittee.
Rex said that the issues were two. The first issue, coordinating with
the development of a need for specific kinds of experts in other
subcommittees, had been addressed, and the second issue, that his
research had led him to organize the work of the HPCDML SC to produce
an RDF Schema first reflecting the paper on convergent standards he
posted the previous Saturday, and possibly using the registries of the
ebXML TC and/or UBL TC as well, to organize the standards he has
discovered. The upshot being that original work for the HPCDML SC if
needed should be done after the existing standards are
coordinated.
Before adjouning, it was agreed that the Conflict Resolution
Subcommittee and the to-be-renamed VR-AI Subcommittee will present
their charters at the next TC meeting.
The meeting adjourned at 1:49 p.m. Eastern
Time.
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Rex Brooks
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Email: rexb@starbourne.com
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