Re: [huml] May Minutes

[Rex Brooks <rexb@starbourne.com>]

Hi James,

I will look at this too. As you can see, I'm workng my way up my 
inbox since I finished phase one of cat furniture for now housebound 
tripedal cat.

Ciao,
Rex

At 2:22 PM -0500 5/23/03, James Landrum wrote:
>I too apologize for missing the meeting. And sincere sympathies and 
>condolences to Len and his family for the loss of his father.
>I've been quite busy on grant and paper writing the last month or so 
>and am slowly trimming away at backlogs, and reviewing 
>correspondence, etc.
>As FYI, I am considering proposal of a panel session on human and 
>related markup languages and metadata for the International Society 
>for Virtual Systems and Multimedia (VSMM2003) conference, to be held 
>at Montreal, Quebec, Canada, (See web site below for details.)  I 
>believe this will be a good a venue for gathering members of 
>different initiatives, e.g., HumanMl, HPCDML, AnatML, AnthML, etc., 
>to discuss critical issues, e.g., compliance, conformance and 
>crosswalks, etc. If anyone has interest in this let me know.
>
>VSMM 2003 - Hybrid Reality: Art, Technology and the Human Factor.
>The Ninth International Conference on Virtual Systems and Multimedia
>15-17 October, 2003
><http://www.vsmm.org/2003/>http://www.vsmm.org/2003/
>Bullard, Claude L (Len) wrote:
>
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>>It sounds like this was an exciting meeting.  I apologize for missing it.
>>My father passed away and there were family duties and trying to keep
>>focused at work.
>>
>>HumanML as it stands, is the set of categories of information that
>>can be collected by observation or other instrumentation about the
>>contexts of a communication.  These can then be used in post-analysis
>>frameworks, or with more risk, in real time feedback systems to
>>augment the use of selectors for alternative responses.   This can
>>be applied to real human communications or to simulations such as
>>the application to X3D H-anim figures.    Because it is a set of
>>categories or types of information, application languages have to be
>>developed that focus on the precise aspects of the communication to 
>>be observed or instrumented.   These application languages will have
>>stronger semantics or interpretations than the weak ontology that
>>is the HumanML primary base schema.   This is in accordance with
>>the works of language experts such as John Sowa with regard to
>>latticed theories and their emergence from use of language. Because
>>each theory is distinct but related through the lattice, the level of
>>detail of information to be collected can be different in each theory
>>or, application language.   The primary base relates these by type
>>but only weakly constrains the interpretation.   So, HumanML is a
>>good basis for experimentation, but not a final or ultimate solution
>>to the challenges of improving human communication in the face
>>of noise or deliberate obsfuscation.   It has been shown, however,
>>(See Paul Ekman et al), that such techniques can reliably reveal such noise
>>and deliberate obsfuscation, so the challenge is not in proving the
>>categorization, but in realizing the instrumentation in concordance
>>with libraries expressed in the derived application languages, in
>>short, instrumenting a theory.
>>
>>len
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Rex Brooks [<mailto:rexb@starbourne.com>mailto:rexb@starbourne.com]
>>Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 11:51 AM
>>To: <mailto:huml@lists.oasis-open.org>huml@lists.oasis-open.org
>>Subject: [huml] May Minutes
>>
>>Here are the minutes for this month's meeting. Please review and 
>>post any corrections and/oradditions.
>>
>>Here are the minutes for this month's meeting:
>>
>>May 21, 2003
>>
>>Teleconference meeting of the OASIS HumanMarkup Technical Committee.
>>
>>USA Toll Free Number: 888-576-9014
>>USA Toll Number: +1-773-756-0201
>>
>>Roll Call:
>>Voting Members:
>>
>>Rex Brooks
>>Rob Nixon
>>Ranjeeth Kumar Thunga
>>Sylvia Candelaria deRam
>>
>>Invited Visitor:
>>
>>Russell Ruggiero
>>
>>Minutes taken by TC Secretary Rex Brooks
>>
>>Meeting convened12:05 p.m. Eastern Time
>>
>>Previous meeting minutes accepted.
>>
>>This meeting was held on the third Wednesday of the Month.
>>
>>We did not have a quorum.
>>
>>As usual, some of these items were actually discussed in a 
>>different sequence from this  summary.
>>
>>Old Business:
>>
>>Because we did not have a quorum, and also had no official business 
>>which needed a voting quorum, the meeting was largely comprised of 
>>reports on implementations, subcommittee work, liaison 
>>opportunities, outreach endeavors and branstorming.
>>
>>Rex updated the TC on the gradual development of an expressed need 
>>across TCs to request OASIS to allow subcommittees to recruit 
>>special experts who need not be TC members to address the more 
>>focused and specialized needs of some subcommittees for adequately 
>>performing the tasks of their charters. This is somewhat different 
>>from the current policy that requires special dispensation from the 
>>OASIS CEO for "Invited Experts." This may or may not be relevant to 
>>our subcommittees, but the growing numbers of subcommittees was 
>>also pointed out as a similar development in the TCs in which Rex 
>>participates, and in which he has established informal liaisons.
>>
>>Our invited visitor, IT industry writer Russell Ruggiero, was 
>>introduced and he informed us about the excellent efforts he has 
>>pursued in writing and publishing his first article about the 
>>HumanML initiative in WSReview (Web Services Review), a publication 
>>of The Thomson Corporation. Russell said that he plans to expand 
>>and cntinue this work handing off information about HumanML to 
>>high-end media, vendors and and analysts so that we can begin to 
>>get some traction in the marketplace and bring attention to the 
>>value of our efforts. Unanimous approval was evidenced for this 
>>work, and any momentum this can bring to the work of the TC.
>>
>>Ranjeeth mentioned that Owen Ambur of the federal government's 
>>xml.gov working group may get involved with the Conflict Resolution 
>>Subcommittee, through a connection between Owen's interest in 
>>freedom of information through improved records-keeping and 
>>HumanML's ability to expand contextual human information and 
>>improve accuracy of that information.
>>
>>Rob said that our newest recruit, graduate student Amir Youssefi 
>>will be working with him on the VR-AI Subcommittee's work following 
>>the generally high level of communications between them. Rob also 
>>mentioned that he had been thinking of changing the name of the 
>>subcommittee to avoid the negative baggage carried by the term 
>>"Artificial Intelligence." Sylvia pointed out that there also 
>>needed to be some reference to the field of cognitive science, and 
>>aggreed that AI carries too much unfavorable associations and 
>>connotations. They agreed to pursue this offline.
>>
>>Russell mentioned in connection with the brainstorming that 
>>accompanied this discussion that he was open to writing on new 
>>topics that any of us wish to point out to him.
>>
>>Ranjeeth reiterated his request for State-Department-Related 
>>Use-Cases for the purpose of attracting attention and possible 
>>funding from that source through his recent contacts.
>>
>>One aspect of this outreach effort, Russell pointed out, was the 
>>current emphasis in the corporate world on Return On Investment 
>>(ROI) accounting and decision-making, and the concurrent emphasis 
>>in government on the issues surrounding terrorism. These are the 
>>current interests, according to his observations, that Russell 
>>suggests it would be wise to address.
>>
>>In this context, outreach efforts such as State Department 
>>Use-Cases, Rob noted that there are tiers of understanding related 
>>to State Department interests, and that we might be well advised to 
>>take that into account. He added that it is important to make sure 
>>we do not set up a misperception that HumanML will solve entire 
>>problems or is even capable of solving large parts of many-layered, 
>>historically intertwined problems such as the ongoing 
>>Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
>>
>>Russell noted that, in this context, in direct support of Rob's 
>>concern, that emphasizing the role of HumanML as a global equalizer 
>>is best expressed by focusing on HumanML as an improvement in the 
>>exchange of information. By focusing on that, we defuse emotional 
>>context within the expressions of one person or group to another.
>>
>>Ranjeeth agreed with that and added that it is probably a good idea 
>>to emphasize the idea that HumanML can help "explore" issues to 
>>find areas where HumanML can improve accuracy and understanding.
>>
>>In a wide ranging discussion such as this, it is sometimes 
>>difficult to place comments from the Secretary's notes into their 
>>correct sequence, and the point of this paragraph is a case in 
>>point. I will italicize that point when I get to it. What happened 
>>is that Rob actually mentioned earlier on that one aspect of 
>>State-Department-related issues is that often individuals and 
>>groups have vested interests in preventing the kind of improved 
>>accuracy that HumanML seeks to bring to communications, 
>>particularly in Conflict Resolution terms. We did not pursue this 
>>aspect precisely because it came earlier and the nature of the 
>>discussion swept on from the point prior to this paragraph.
>>
>>It seemed more important to put it above, where the context of 
>>discussing how to best portray HumanML makes it particularly 
>>important.
>>
>>The discussion moved on to discuss ways to portray Use Cases.
>>
>>Rob noted that in negotiations between sets of negotiators for two 
>>groups seated opposite each other at a conference table, where lead 
>>negotiators address each other directly while representative 
>>members of their respective groups are present, the situation is 
>>rife for feedback loops which amplify the emotional responses of 
>>each group and can lead to catastrophe.
>>
>>Ranjeeth mentioned that he thought it was important to emphasize in 
>>any description of such a Use Case that these were "congitive" 
>>feedback loops fed by each groups intentions, understandings, etc.
>>
>>Sylvia started to offer an analysis from her perspective to 
>>illustrate this feedback loop, but it was not immediately clear 
>>what she meant.
>>
>>It was however, agreed that Sylvia would post this simplified 
>>cognitive semiosis analysis so that we could apply it as a 
>>framework for diagramming interactions in the use cases we provide 
>>since all use cases will likely involve two, or more, groups led in 
>>any interactions by individuals speaking for those groups, and so 
>>we can have a common method of explaining and analyzing examples.
>>
>>Our discussion had taken us beyond our normal time limit, which 
>>Ranjeeth pointed out to us when he requested that Rex summarize the 
>>specific issues he had wanted to raise in relation to the Human 
>>Physcial Characteristics Description Markup Language Subcommittee.
>>
>>Rex said that the issues were two. The first issue, coordinating 
>>with the development of a need for specific kinds of experts in 
>>other subcommittees, had been addressed, and the second issue, that 
>>his research had led him to organize the work of the HPCDML SC to 
>>produce an RDF Schema first reflecting the paper on convergent 
>>standards he posted the previous Saturday, and possibly using the 
>>registries of the ebXML TC and/or UBL TC as well, to organize the 
>>standards he has discovered. The upshot being that original work 
>>for the HPCDML SC if needed should be done after the existing 
>>standards are coordinated.
>>
>>Before adjouning, it was agreed that the Conflict Resolution 
>>Subcommittee and the to-be-renamed VR-AI Subcommittee will present 
>>their charters at the next TC meeting.
>>
>>The meeting adjourned at 1:49 p.m. Eastern Time.   
>>
>>
>>--
>>    
>>Rex Brooks
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>>
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