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Subject: [huml] Re: response to Rex's comments on reorganization of paper,etc.

Thanks Jim,

I appreciate it. It will shape up a bit more when we get all the 
pieces in place.


At 3:36 PM -0600 11/26/03, James Landrum wrote:
>Rex, that is fine, I do understand how busy each of us are; for 
>example, in addition to this set of tasks, over the Thanksgiving 
>weekend I'm striving to meet immediate deadlines for a variety of 
>projects, working through massive DANA-WH database content updates 
>and schema changes, and also finalizing powerpoint slides for CIDOC 
>CRM, as well finalizing several paper proposals for the upcoming 
>CAA2004 conference). I expect other team members are just as busy, 
>if not more so. Once the full text is compiled and you submit a 
>draft version of that, I don't believe that it will take that much 
>effort to reorganize the content.  When you submit that version, 
>I'll be better able to review and suggest reorganization of content 
>and I will happily engage the task.
>Rex Brooks wrote:
>>[huml] Re: [humanorg] JL-edits of the paper attached. (was
>>Hi James,
>>I appreciate your intent and thank you for it. However, I think 
>>that perhaps not having the actual portal to see, it may not 
>>connect for you. Regardless, while I may be wrong, under the 
>>current circumstances, I don't think I have the time to rework the 
>>paper as extensively as it appears you are suggesting. I certainly 
>>don't have the time to stop everything right now and go through 
>>your suggestion in detail. Because I get my mail on the Mac, I 
>>can't even look at your minor changes until later. However, for 
>>now, let's postpone that decision with an interim decision to 
>>proceed on the assumption that I don't have the time, especially 
>>with several sections unwritten as yet. However, I will look at the 
>>reshuffling suggestion when I can and make a more considered and 
>>reasoned decision later.
>>Could you Outline the rearrangement for me? I see things better 
>>that way or in diagrams than in descriptions.
>>Right now, at least, I don't have the time to go over your 
>>suggestion. That is largely due to the fact that I have to devote 
>>the remainder of the day on programming details to get the 
>>metaphorical plumbing working. One decision about how to adjust 
>>this project to one factor always seems to throw something else out 
>>of kilter, and I am just not capable of switching back and forth 
>>from writing to programming, or figuring out how the web services 
>>processes of servers, servlets and small application programs 
>>should work versus how it seems to, or not as the case may be.
>>I'm not rejecting the idea out of hand, just postponing a decision 
>>to a more appropriate moment, and asking that you understand if it 
>>proves impractical.
>>As for the paper addressing the specifics, to be honest, I see that 
>>as the job of the Portal itself, to illustrate the tangible product 
>>of the collaborations involved. The paper does need to address 
>>specifics, as you say, but the specifics are much less HumanMarkup 
>>per se than the whole. Some emphasis on HumanML and HPCDML is 
>>required, but too much runs a risk of alienating the partners we 
>>want to recruit. The paper, as a supporting document, is, however, 
>>a chance for us to do what I think you have done quite well, which 
>>is to demonstrate our grounding in existing work and our plans for 
>>moving forward, in step with the academic as well as business 
>>Last note, a proof of concept like this precedes a pilot project. 
>>We are, in fact, doing the leg work to get funding for the pilot 
>>project, which would be an assessment of the costs and benefits of 
>>producing the actual portal.
>>The chances are quite, good actually, that if what is needed to 
>>improve the paper is restructuring and doesn't require rewriting, 
>>which I know I don't have the time to do, then, once the 
>>presentation and the portal are pretty much put to bed, and it 
>>turns out that there is time to do it without making me or us 
>>crazy, I'll be more than happy to do it.
>>At 1:48 PM -0600 11/26/03, James Landrum wrote:
>>>Rex et al., and Rex please understand that I intend this as kind 
>>>and constructive feedback:
>>>  I have gone through the paper briefly and made editorial changes 
>>>(minor phrase changes, minor typo error corrections, insertion of 
>>>definition of acronyms when first presented, etc., and minor 
>>>clarifications, including addition of a couple URLs and 
>>>references) and IMPORTANTLY:
>>>   As presented the paper content does not address the specifics 
>>>implied in the sub TITLE, i.e., it does not describe in detail the 
>>>scopes and goals and initial results of the pilot project:
>>>Proof of Concept for Public Healthcare Preparedness Portal
>>>for the New York Academy of Medicine
>>>Featuring the Common Alerting Protocol
>>>   Also, I believe it is advisable to rearrange the sections and 
>>>first introduce OASIS, the  HumanML TC asnd HPCDML SC,  and very 
>>>briefly indicate the range of collaborating research participates 
>>>and units, and then describe missions for both HumanMarkup 
>>>Language and Human Physical Characteristics Description Markup 
>>>Language, then explain how these are used and fit in with WSRP and 
>>>CAP, then describe the specific pilot project, and summarize and 
>>>then if there is room in the paper, discuss the other related 
>>>research collaborations, e.g., the ATL stuff. I have no object if 
>>>due to limitations of space allocation that the related research 
>>>sections be withheld and used in other presentations at later date 
>>>as appropriate.
>>>Rex Brooks wrote:
>>>>Hi Everyone,
>>>>Here is the first, as-yet-somewhat-incomplete, draft of the 
>>>>presentation paper and powerpoint slideshow.
>>>>For a variety of reasons I would prefer that everyone, except 
>>>>James and Russell confine your proofreading, comments and 
>>>>suggestions to email messages, citing the subheads for sections 
>>>>or the slide numbers under which these corrections, comments and 
>>>>suggestions occur. If you are contributing visuals, you can 
>>>>either use the format I have used for the slides, if you want to 
>>>>produce slides (which I would discourage, with the exception of 
>>>>James and Rob), or else please confine your efforts to creating 
>>>>images or animations which I can resize or edit to fit. I will be 
>>>>citing everyone who works on this as contributors and each of you 
>>>>as authors for the specific sections in which you write, produce 
>>>>images, slides or animations for us, so please indicate how you 
>>>>wish to be listed and how you wish your references cited. I will 
>>>>be compiling and editing the Bibliographic Appendices last. In 
>>>>the meantime I will include reference citations inline where they 
>>>>appear in your individual contributions.
>>>>For those of you who are still working on your individual subject 
>>>>area contributions, please send me what you have by end of day, 
>>>>Saturday, Nov. 29, 2003. I plan to compile the first full draft 
>>>>and provide it for proofing Sunday night, November 30, 2003 or 
>>>>Monday morning, Dec. 1, 2003.
>>>>Please Note: the animations are only placeholders, and many 
>>>>samples are not yet included because I simply don't have them yet 
>>>>and beyond the animations, I did not want to include a lot of 
>>>>placeholders. Rob is working on a new animation, James and Sylvia 
>>>>are working on specific slides and Sylvia is working on her 
>>>>sections for Cultural Descriptions and Cognition overview. I have 
>>>>not asked Chandra for a write up of his Mediation SC which is 
>>>>under construction, and there are personal intervening 
>>>>circumstances that have understandably delayed his efforts.
>>>>If you want to preview how the Portal functionality has been 
>>>>designed (but not a final version of how it will appear or work 
>>>>when displayed during demonstration go to:
>>>>for the first screen and the functionality of the individual Map 
>>>>and Medical portlets
>>>>for the CAP Incident screen
>>>>In the actual Portal both of the portlets will be interactive 
>>>>while remaining within the overall Portal Page.
>>>>I have not yet decided to what depth I will go in describing Web 
>>>>Services for Remote Portlets, since there is a completely 
>>>>separate presentation being polished by the chair of that TC for 
>>>>presentation Dec. 10 at XML2003.
>>>>We will also be attending Owen Ambur's Town Hall Meeting at 
>>>>XML2003 the evening of Dec. 9 after our presentation at the 
>>>>All in all, I think this is sufficient for now. You should have 
>>>>enough to absorb and we have a schedule to keep, so on to making 
>>>>the servlet that is sitting on my plate.
>>>>Rex Brooks
>>>>GeoAddress: 1361-A Addison, Berkeley, CA, 94702 USA, Earth
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>>>>Tel: 510-849-2309
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>>>From the desk of James [Jim] E. Landrum III
>>>Archaeology Materials and Database Manager,
>>>Archaeology Technologies Laboratory (ATL),
>>>North Dakota State University (NDSU).
>>>Ph. 701-231-7115  FAX: 701-231-1047
>>>Email: <mailto:james.landrum@ndsu.nodak.edu>james.landrum@ndsu.nodak.edu
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>>Rex Brooks
>>GeoAddress: 1361-A Addison, Berkeley, CA, 94702 USA, Earth
>>W3Address: <http://www.starbourne.com>http://www.starbourne.com
>>Email: <mailto:rexb@starbourne.com>rexb@starbourne.com
>>Tel: 510-849-2309
>>Fax: By Request
>From the desk of James [Jim] E. Landrum III
>Archaeology Materials and Database Manager,
>Archaeology Technologies Laboratory (ATL),
>North Dakota State University (NDSU).
>Ph. 701-231-7115  FAX: 701-231-1047
>Email: <mailto:james.landrum@ndsu.nodak.edu>james.landrum@ndsu.nodak.edu
>ATL Web Site: <http://atl.ndsu.edu>http://atl.ndsu.edu
>Digital Archive Network for Anthropology and World Heritage (DANA-WH)
>DANA-WH Web Site: <http://www.dana-wh.net>http://www.dana-wh.net

Rex Brooks
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W3Address: http://www.starbourne.com
Email: rexb@starbourne.com
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