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Subject: [huml] Re: response to Rex's comments on reorganization of paper,etc.
Thanks Jim, I appreciate it. It will shape up a bit more when we get all the pieces in place. Ciao, Rex At 3:36 PM -0600 11/26/03, James Landrum wrote: >Rex, that is fine, I do understand how busy each of us are; for >example, in addition to this set of tasks, over the Thanksgiving >weekend I'm striving to meet immediate deadlines for a variety of >projects, working through massive DANA-WH database content updates >and schema changes, and also finalizing powerpoint slides for CIDOC >CRM, as well finalizing several paper proposals for the upcoming >CAA2004 conference). I expect other team members are just as busy, >if not more so. Once the full text is compiled and you submit a >draft version of that, I don't believe that it will take that much >effort to reorganize the content. When you submit that version, >I'll be better able to review and suggest reorganization of content >and I will happily engage the task. > >Rex Brooks wrote: > >>[huml] Re: [humanorg] JL-edits of the paper attached. (was >>Hi James, >> >>I appreciate your intent and thank you for it. However, I think >>that perhaps not having the actual portal to see, it may not >>connect for you. Regardless, while I may be wrong, under the >>current circumstances, I don't think I have the time to rework the >>paper as extensively as it appears you are suggesting. I certainly >>don't have the time to stop everything right now and go through >>your suggestion in detail. Because I get my mail on the Mac, I >>can't even look at your minor changes until later. However, for >>now, let's postpone that decision with an interim decision to >>proceed on the assumption that I don't have the time, especially >>with several sections unwritten as yet. However, I will look at the >>reshuffling suggestion when I can and make a more considered and >>reasoned decision later. >> >>Could you Outline the rearrangement for me? I see things better >>that way or in diagrams than in descriptions. >> >>Right now, at least, I don't have the time to go over your >>suggestion. That is largely due to the fact that I have to devote >>the remainder of the day on programming details to get the >>metaphorical plumbing working. One decision about how to adjust >>this project to one factor always seems to throw something else out >>of kilter, and I am just not capable of switching back and forth >>from writing to programming, or figuring out how the web services >>processes of servers, servlets and small application programs >>should work versus how it seems to, or not as the case may be. >> >>I'm not rejecting the idea out of hand, just postponing a decision >>to a more appropriate moment, and asking that you understand if it >>proves impractical. >> >>As for the paper addressing the specifics, to be honest, I see that >>as the job of the Portal itself, to illustrate the tangible product >>of the collaborations involved. The paper does need to address >>specifics, as you say, but the specifics are much less HumanMarkup >>per se than the whole. Some emphasis on HumanML and HPCDML is >>required, but too much runs a risk of alienating the partners we >>want to recruit. The paper, as a supporting document, is, however, >>a chance for us to do what I think you have done quite well, which >>is to demonstrate our grounding in existing work and our plans for >>moving forward, in step with the academic as well as business >>worlds. >> >>Last note, a proof of concept like this precedes a pilot project. >>We are, in fact, doing the leg work to get funding for the pilot >>project, which would be an assessment of the costs and benefits of >>producing the actual portal. >> >>The chances are quite, good actually, that if what is needed to >>improve the paper is restructuring and doesn't require rewriting, >>which I know I don't have the time to do, then, once the >>presentation and the portal are pretty much put to bed, and it >>turns out that there is time to do it without making me or us >>crazy, I'll be more than happy to do it. >> >>Ciao, >>Rex >> >>At 1:48 PM -0600 11/26/03, James Landrum wrote: >> >>>Rex et al., and Rex please understand that I intend this as kind >>>and constructive feedback: >>> I have gone through the paper briefly and made editorial changes >>>(minor phrase changes, minor typo error corrections, insertion of >>>definition of acronyms when first presented, etc., and minor >>>clarifications, including addition of a couple URLs and >>>references) and IMPORTANTLY: >>> As presented the paper content does not address the specifics >>>implied in the sub TITLE, i.e., it does not describe in detail the >>>scopes and goals and initial results of the pilot project: >>> >>>Proof of Concept for Public Healthcare Preparedness Portal >>> >>>for the New York Academy of Medicine >>> >>>Featuring the Common Alerting Protocol >>> >>> Also, I believe it is advisable to rearrange the sections and >>>first introduce OASIS, the HumanML TC asnd HPCDML SC, and very >>>briefly indicate the range of collaborating research participates >>>and units, and then describe missions for both HumanMarkup >>>Language and Human Physical Characteristics Description Markup >>>Language, then explain how these are used and fit in with WSRP and >>>CAP, then describe the specific pilot project, and summarize and >>>then if there is room in the paper, discuss the other related >>>research collaborations, e.g., the ATL stuff. I have no object if >>>due to limitations of space allocation that the related research >>>sections be withheld and used in other presentations at later date >>>as appropriate. >>> >>> >>>Rex Brooks wrote: >>> >>>>Presentation >>>> >>>>Hi Everyone, >>>> >>>>Here is the first, as-yet-somewhat-incomplete, draft of the >>>>presentation paper and powerpoint slideshow. >>>> >>>> >>>>For a variety of reasons I would prefer that everyone, except >>>>James and Russell confine your proofreading, comments and >>>>suggestions to email messages, citing the subheads for sections >>>>or the slide numbers under which these corrections, comments and >>>>suggestions occur. If you are contributing visuals, you can >>>>either use the format I have used for the slides, if you want to >>>>produce slides (which I would discourage, with the exception of >>>>James and Rob), or else please confine your efforts to creating >>>>images or animations which I can resize or edit to fit. I will be >>>>citing everyone who works on this as contributors and each of you >>>>as authors for the specific sections in which you write, produce >>>>images, slides or animations for us, so please indicate how you >>>>wish to be listed and how you wish your references cited. I will >>>>be compiling and editing the Bibliographic Appendices last. In >>>>the meantime I will include reference citations inline where they >>>>appear in your individual contributions. >>>> >>>> >>>>For those of you who are still working on your individual subject >>>>area contributions, please send me what you have by end of day, >>>>Saturday, Nov. 29, 2003. I plan to compile the first full draft >>>>and provide it for proofing Sunday night, November 30, 2003 or >>>>Monday morning, Dec. 1, 2003. >>>> >>>> >>>>Please Note: the animations are only placeholders, and many >>>>samples are not yet included because I simply don't have them yet >>>>and beyond the animations, I did not want to include a lot of >>>>placeholders. Rob is working on a new animation, James and Sylvia >>>>are working on specific slides and Sylvia is working on her >>>>sections for Cultural Descriptions and Cognition overview. I have >>>>not asked Chandra for a write up of his Mediation SC which is >>>>under construction, and there are personal intervening >>>>circumstances that have understandably delayed his efforts. >>>> >>>> >>>>If you want to preview how the Portal functionality has been >>>>designed (but not a final version of how it will appear or work >>>>when displayed during demonstration go to: >>>> >>>> >>>><http://www.starbourne.com/NYAM/NYAMPortal/NYAM-CAP-Portal1.html>http://www.starbourne.com/NYAM/NYAMPortal/NYAM-CAP-Portal1.html >>>> >>>> >>>>for the first screen and the functionality of the individual Map >>>>and Medical portlets >>>> >>>> >>>><http://www.starbourne.com/NYAM/NYAMPortal/NYAM-CAP-Portal2.html>http://www.starbourne.com/NYAM/NYAMPortal/NYAM-CAP-Portal2.html >>>> >>>> >>>>for the CAP Incident screen >>>> >>>> >>>>In the actual Portal both of the portlets will be interactive >>>>while remaining within the overall Portal Page. >>>> >>>> >>>>I have not yet decided to what depth I will go in describing Web >>>>Services for Remote Portlets, since there is a completely >>>>separate presentation being polished by the chair of that TC for >>>>presentation Dec. 10 at XML2003. >>>> >>>> >>>>We will also be attending Owen Ambur's Town Hall Meeting at >>>>XML2003 the evening of Dec. 9 after our presentation at the >>>>workshop. >>>> >>>> >>>>All in all, I think this is sufficient for now. You should have >>>>enough to absorb and we have a schedule to keep, so on to making >>>>the servlet that is sitting on my plate. >>>> >>>> >>>>Ciao, >>>> >>>>Rex >>>> >>>>-- >>>> >>>> >>>>Rex Brooks >>>>GeoAddress: 1361-A Addison, Berkeley, CA, 94702 USA, Earth >>>>W3Address: <http://www.starbourne.com>http://www.starbourne.com >>>>Email: <mailto:rexb@starbourne.com>rexb@starbourne.com >>>>Tel: 510-849-2309 >>>>Fax: By Request >>>> >>>> >>>>Yahoo! Groups Sponsor >>>> >>>>ADVERTISEMENT >>>><http://rd.yahoo.com/SIG=12cf49m70/M=267637.4116730.5333196.1261774/D=egroupweb/S=1706030390:HM/EXP=1069943688/A=1853618/R=0/*http://www.netflix.com/Default?mqso=60178338&partid=4116730> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >>>><mailto:humanorg-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com>humanorg-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the >>>><http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>Yahoo! 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Landrum III >>>Archaeology Materials and Database Manager, >>>Archaeology Technologies Laboratory (ATL), >>>North Dakota State University (NDSU). >>>Ph. 701-231-7115 FAX: 701-231-1047 >>>Email: <mailto:james.landrum@ndsu.nodak.edu>james.landrum@ndsu.nodak.edu >>> >>>ATL Web Site: <http://atl.ndsu.edu>http://atl.ndsu.edu >>>Digital Archive Network for Anthropology and World Heritage (DANA-WH) >>>DANA-WH Web Site: <http://www.dana-wh.net>http://www.dana-wh.net >>> >>> >>>Attachment converted: Enterprise:???#2A6479.doc (WDBN/MSWD) (002A6479) >>>To unsubscribe from this mailing list (and be removed from the >>>roster of the OASIS TC), go to >>><http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/huml/members/leave_workgroup.php>http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/huml/members/leave_workgroup.php. >>> >> >> >>-- >> >>Rex Brooks >>GeoAddress: 1361-A Addison, Berkeley, CA, 94702 USA, Earth >>W3Address: <http://www.starbourne.com>http://www.starbourne.com >>Email: <mailto:rexb@starbourne.com>rexb@starbourne.com >>Tel: 510-849-2309 >>Fax: By Request >> > >-- >From the desk of James [Jim] E. Landrum III >Archaeology Materials and Database Manager, >Archaeology Technologies Laboratory (ATL), >North Dakota State University (NDSU). >Ph. 701-231-7115 FAX: 701-231-1047 >Email: <mailto:james.landrum@ndsu.nodak.edu>james.landrum@ndsu.nodak.edu >ATL Web Site: <http://atl.ndsu.edu>http://atl.ndsu.edu >Digital Archive Network for Anthropology and World Heritage (DANA-WH) >DANA-WH Web Site: <http://www.dana-wh.net>http://www.dana-wh.net -- Rex Brooks GeoAddress: 1361-A Addison, Berkeley, CA, 94702 USA, Earth W3Address: http://www.starbourne.com Email: rexb@starbourne.com Tel: 510-849-2309 Fax: By Request
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