RE: [egov] Countermeasures for Epidemic of CongressionalIgnorance?

[Rex Brooks <rexb@starbourne.com>]

Interesting developments. Fair warning, All,

When the sia-pilot6 whose mailing is copied here is up and running, I 
will be very happy to write to this list again, if my archive hasn't 
disappeared again as it seems to every few years, and you'll actually 
see both geospatial and healthcare-related resources and actual 
services gathered together. And, as for Duane's specific use-cases, 
we are actually working on the Emergency Data Exchange Language 
(EDXL) Resource Messages specification in the OASIS Emergency 
Management TC. Right now, we are separating requirements candidates 
from a quite overspecified strawman from the industry/gov group that 
performs that preliminary effort before these individual component 
chunks in this series of specs is passed on to us. It actually makes 
sense in a weird sort of way, because it does highlight the concerns 
of practitioners, but it is quite a dance moving from here through to 
the spec that gets pushed out for public comment such as the EDXL 
Distribution Element is currently being scrutinized.

Ciao,
Rex

P.S. Since I'm in Berkeley, just across the Bay from that there city 
where the intersection cited actually resides in the so-called "real 
world," we could all meet there some time.

At 4:38 PM +0200 9/20/05, Peter F Brown wrote:
>The corner of Haight and Ashbury would seem the most appropriate place to
>gather in the case of an end-of-world catastrophe: but are we betraying our
>age if we admit to already knowing how to get there??!! ;-)
>
>Peace 'n' love,
>Peter
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: judith.jerome@cabinet-office.x.gsi.gov.uk
>[mailto:judith.jerome@cabinet-office.x.gsi.gov.uk]
>Sent: 20 September 2005 15:17
>To: Farrukh.Najmi@Sun.COM; peter@justbrown.net
>Cc: rexb@starbourne.com; dnickull@adobe.com; huml@lists.oasis-open.org;
>emergency@lists.oasis-open.org; egov@lists.oasis-open.org;
>sia-pilot6@humanml.cim3; Colin.Wallis@ssc.govt.nz
>Subject: RE: [egov] Countermeasures for Epidemic of Congressional Ignorance?
>
>And along the same lines, what about some openly developed geospatial
>information systems similar to those proposed by the Open Geospatial
>Consortium?  It is the actual 'location' of the corner of Haight and Ashbury
>*and* how to get there which becomes operative in these emergency scenarios.
>And geographic information, by definition, (off shore, coastal, satellite
>imagery etc.) is cross-border. 
>
>What about a project where we combine GIS intelligence with ebXML registry
>based info and a semantic interoperability approach?
>
>Just thoughts of the moment.
>
>Judy
>
>Judith A. Jerome
>
>Geographic Information Specialist
>
>UK Cabinet Office, e-Government Unit  (Infrastructure Services)
>
>Stockley House, 130 Wilton Road,  London SW1V 1LQ
>
>Email: Judith.Jerome@Cabinet-office.x.gsi.gov.uk
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: Farrukh Najmi [mailto:Farrukh.Najmi@Sun.COM]
>Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 10:58 PM
>To: peter@justbrown.net
>Cc: 'Rex Brooks'; 'Duane Nickull'; huml@lists.oasis-open.org;
>emergency@lists.oasis-open.org; egov@lists.oasis-open.org;
>sia-pilot6@humanml.cim3; Colin.Wallis@ssc.govt.nz
>Subject: Re: [egov] Countermeasures for Epidemic of Congressional Ignorance?
>
>Peter F Brown wrote:
>>Interesting thread: just been talking in Vienna today on exactly this
>sort
>>of use case with Edwin Bruce, head of eGov projects in the New Zealand
>>government. We both think that there are opportunities for
>collaboration in
>>such pilots: one only has to look at the recurrence of major seasonal
>>flooding in Central Europe in the last few years or the ever present
>>background threat of a major health pandemic, such as Avian flu...these
>are
>>all naturally cross-agency and cross-border phenomena and the ebXML
>>federated registry model coupled with some semantic interoperability
>>approach would indeed seem to fit the bill....
>> 
>This scenario is very similar to one a bunch of us collaborated on at XML
>2003.
>
>Slides are at:
>
>http://ebxmlrr.sourceforge.net/presentations/oasis-demo-xml2003.sxi
>http://ebxmlrr.sourceforge.net/presentations/oasis-demo-xml2003.ppt
>
>The scenario was of Avian Flu Epidemic when it was big news in far east
>:-)
>
>It used ebXML Registry, ebXML Messaging, ebXML CPP/A, XForms, XACML etc.
>
>If it were done today OASIS CAP would also be included and potentially some
>other standards and technologies.
>>Peter
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Rex Brooks [mailto:rexb@starbourne.com]
>>Sent: 19 September 2005 21:30
>>To: Duane Nickull; Rex Brooks; huml@lists.oasis-open.org;
>>emergency@lists.oasis-open.org; egov@lists.oasis-open.org;
>>sia-pilot6@humanml.cim3
>>Subject: RE: [egov] Countermeasures for Epidemic of Congressional
>Ignorance?
>>
>>Thanks foor the reply, Duane,
>>
>>The pilot project I'm working on now does some of this and is a
>Semantic
>>Interoperability Rachitecture Pilot as well as being SOA in a loosely
>>coupled way, and we plan to use ebXML REgistry/Repository as well as
>many
>>other components. It's far from any kind of panacea, but i think it
>will be
>>a small step in the right direction.
>>
>>Regards,
>>Rex
>>
>>At 12:20 PM -0700 9/19/05, Duane Nickull wrote:
>> 
>>>Rec:
>>>
>>>Sadly, in a previous company we proposed an architecture to the
>>>Canadian Government (prior to being acquired by Adobe) for a low costs
>
>>>system that would have helped alleviate some of the problems from this
>
>>>type of emergency.
>>>
>>>While dwelling on the past is important to learn lessons, I also think
>
>>>it is important to look forward and take action.  The proposed system
>>>was  registry based and would allow government and civilian entities
>to
>>>register the following via easy to use web forms:
>>>
>>>1. What types of events they wish to be notified about and when.
>>>Example: If there is a landslide in the Rocky Mountains that blocks a
>>>public highway, notify me since I am a civilian trucking company and I
>
>>>need to know this to reroute my trucks or "Tell me about potential
>>>hurricanes 48 hours in advance since I have to collect and evacuate
>>>elderly people".
>>>
>>>2. A list of anything they have that they would make available during
>>>an emergency. Example: I have a diesel generator and 200 gallons of
>>>fuel in my backyard
>>>
>>>3. Details of any services they are prepared to offer during an
>>>emergency (example: I have a chainsaw and can help cut through fallen
>>>trees.
>>>
>>>4. Details of how they can be contacted in an emergency including
>>>backup plans in case no infrastructure exists (example: If the phones
>>>are out, I will be at the corner of Haight & Ashbury.
>>>
>>>5. Workflows and procedures for emergency workers to take.
>>>
>>>The idea is that everyone who has a stake in a situation would have a
>>>chance to play a role.  Agencies from local governments to
>>>international relief workers could all use it.
>>>
>>>The architecture is public record since it was submitted to the GoC as
>
>>>an RFI proposal.  Anyone interested in seeing it or making use of it
>>>please let me know and I can forward it to them.
>>>
>>>I think systems like this would only cost around CAD $100,000 to
>>>implement and probably minimal $$ to keep operational.  A bargain
>>>compared to the chaos that can result when things go wrong.
>>>
>>>The architecture used the OASIS CAP and the ebXML Registry/Repository
>>>standards along with other web service standards.
>>>
>>>Anyone want to build it?
>>>
>>>Duane
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: Rex Brooks [mailto:rexb@starbourne.com]
>>>Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 8:06 AM
>>>To: huml@lists.oasis-open.org; emergency@lists.oasis-open.org;
>>>egov@lists.oasis-open.org; sia-pilot6@humanml.cim3
>>>Subject: [egov] Countermeasures for Epidemic of Congressional
>Ignorance?
>>>
>>>Hi Everyone,
>>>
>>>Please excuse the inept and mangled metaphors, but I think I have a
>  >>concussion from being hit by this um, fiscal responsibility?
>>>
>>>I note this with considerable dismay since it looks a lot like we
>>>suddenly discovered that we are hemorrhaging from a leg so we are
>going
>>>to amputate our right arm as if we could somehow save the blood in
>that
>>>arm or keep it from flowing out our gashed leg. Let's ignore how much
>>>work that arm could do, for things like, well, tying a tourniquet
>>>around the wound from which we are actually bleeding?
>>>
>>>http://fcw.com/article90814-09-16-05-Web&newsletter%3Dyes
>>>
>>>Better idea. Let's rescind the minimum wage and hire all those
>>>displaced refugees, oops, no, they're called.... what was it? Ah yes,
>>>evacuees. How much more civilized can you get? I never thought
>>>ignorance was contagious till now.
>>>
>>>Rex
>>>--
>>>Rex Brooks
>>>President, CEO
>>>Starbourne Communications Design
>>>GeoAddress: 1361-A Addison
>>>Berkeley, CA 94702
>>>Tel: 510-849-2309
>>>
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>>Rex Brooks
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>--
>Regards,
>Farrukh
>
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Rex Brooks
President, CEO
Starbourne Communications Design
GeoAddress: 1361-A Addison
Berkeley, CA 94702
Tel: 510-849-2309