Re: [id-cloud] RE: ID-Cloud Minutes from June 28 2010 Call

[John Bradley <jbradley@mac.com>]

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I have added you to the attendance tracker.

John B.
On 2010-06-29, at 4:22 AM, Cohen, Doron wrote:

> Thomas,
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> Doron
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Thomas Hardjono [mailto:hardjono@MIT.EDU]=20
> Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 22:53
> To: id-cloud
> Cc: Anil Saldhana; Anthony Nadalin
> Subject: [id-cloud] ID-Cloud Minutes from June 28 2010 Call
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> Minutes from Oasis ID-Cloud TC (June 28, 2010)
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> 1) Roll Call:
> John Bradley
> Andy Kindred - Acxiom
> John Dilley - Akamai Technologies
> James Ducharme Aveksa, Inc.
> Paul Lipton - CA*
> Mark Robinton - HID Global
> Heather Hinton - IBM
> Matthew Rutkowski - IBM
> John Bradley - Individual
> Peter Brown - Individual
> Gershon Janssen - Individual
> Michael Stiefel* - Individual
> Thomas Hardjono - M.I.T.
> Dee Schur - OASIS *
> Patrick Harding - Ping Identity Corporation*
> Anil Saldhana - Red Hat
> Bill Becker - SafeNet, Inc.
> Tom Clifford - Symantec Corp.*
> Kyle Austin - TriCipher, Inc.
> Siddharth Bajaj - VeriSign
> Daniel Turissini - WidePoint Corporation
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> 2) Approval of the June 14th Minutes
> http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/id-cloud/201006/msg00036.html
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>   Moved: Gershon Janssen.
>   Second: John Bradley.
>   No objections. Minutes approved.
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> 3) Discussion of Safe Net Use Cases by Doron Cohen/Bill Baker
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> (A) Use-Case #1: Privileged Accounts in the Cloud.
> - Use-Case description: Need more stringent security (eg. auth, audit, =
etc) than normal accounts and in-perimeter accounts.
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> - Anil: Q: Can we make this into an infrastructure Privileged Account
>  + Doron: We need a new set of requirements for cloud service =
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>  + Siddarth: Supports this use-case.
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> - John Dilley: Q: Would authN infra for this use-case be different =
than in normal accounts?
>  + Doron: They may have different policies and different back-end =
capabilities. Thus we need this new use-case.
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> - John Dilley: We need to create a core set of mechanisms that are =
true/valid across all use-cases (in the Cloud-ID TC).
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> - John Bradley: has been looking at Federation metadata (from projects =
in Europe), including issues relating to SAML usage (eg. is SAML secure =
enough). Some accounts in the cloud will need better risk analysis.
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> - Patrick: agrees with John Bradley and John Dilley. Has questions =
about federated accounts. What happens if things go wrong (ie. when even =
the privileged accounts/users get locked-out). Need a statement how to =
handle this.
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> - Anil: Any assumptions about federated identity and the priviledged =
accounts use-case?
>  + Doron: No assumptions. Up to each implementation.
>  + Siddarth: has seen these implemented before.
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> (B) Use-Case #2: Enterprise employee accesing cloud services.
> - Use-Case description: Regular employee of Enterprise want to access =
cloud services.
>  + Want to benefit from SSO
>  + Will require different level of assurance (ie. compared to =
intra-enterprise services)
>  + Will require different sec. requirements and authN policies.
>  + Related to federated provisioning.
>  + Will need to support different form-factors and access methods.
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> - Thomas Hardjono: Q: Is the cloud-service part of the Enterprise or =
is it run by a trusted third party (TTP)?
>  + Doron: the later (ie. TTP).
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> - Anil: Suggest to change the title of the use-case.
>  + Doron: agree, but want to focus on extending the (enterprise) =
identity to the cloud.
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> (C) Use-Case #3: Consumer scenario.
> - Use-Case description: Want to use a Consumer Identity to access =
different services on the Internet
>  + Instead of using the one-ID per service today.
>  + Want SSO capability.
>  + Has similar requirements (to previous use-case?)
>  + Main twist: Need for privacy and need for user-control over which =
informations to disclose.
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> - John Dilley: Q: is that ID linked to an enterprise ID?
>  + There is the *why* and the *how* questions.
>  + Is this simply a federated ID use-case?
>  + Each ID (in an environment) typically has an accompanying info =
about that ID. Do we mean to export this info to other/new environments?
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> - Patrick Harding: If I was a web service, why would I let my user =
authenticate using Google, Yahoo, etc ?
>  + John Bradley: for targetted apps.
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> 4) Follow up on the Kerberos In The Cloud Discussion
> - Thomas Hardjono: no update for today, but plan to update the =
use-case doc.
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> 5) Other Business
> * Members Reference: Cloud Identity Summit in July
> (http://www.cloudidentitysummit.com/)
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> 6) Adjourn
> - Next telecon on 12 July 2010.
> - Moved: Gershon
> + seconded: John Dilley.
> + No objections. Meeting adjourned.
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> ________
> SoapHub chatroom:
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> anonymous2 morphed into Michael Stiefel
> anonymous3 morphed into Doron Cohen
> Doron Cohen morphed into Doron Cohen (SafeNet)
> anonymous morphed into John Dilley (Akamai)
> AnilSaldhana_RedHat: The bridge has toll free numbers your individual =
countries. That will save you from calling the US.
> AnilSaldhana_RedHat: Doron, thanks for joining in.  It must be late =
for you.
> Peter morphed into Peter F Brown
> anonymous morphed into Jim Ducharme
> Jim Ducharme morphed into Jim Ducharme (Aveksa)
> anonymous1 morphed into Siddharth Bajaj
> Siddharth Bajaj morphed into Siddharth Bajaj (VeriSign)
> anonymous morphed into Benny Koren (Mellanox)
> anonymous morphed into Jason Rouault (HP)
> Heather Hinton (IBM): just joined on the phone
> anonymous morphed into Patrick Harding
> Thomas Hardjono (MIT)1: Notes: Minutes from 14 June 2010 meeting =
approved unanimously. Moved by Gershon Janssen. 2nd by John Bradley.
> John Bradley: Meeting Attendees
> NameCompanyStatus
> Andy KindredAcxiomGroup Member
> John DilleyAkamai TechnologiesGroup Member
> Paul LiptonCA*Group Member
> Mark RobintonHID GlobalGroup Member
> Heather HintonIBMGroup Member
> Matthew RutkowskiIBMGroup Member
> John BradleyIndividualGroup Member
> Peter BrownIndividualGroup Member
> Gershon JanssenIndividualGroup Member
> Michael Stiefel*IndividualGroup Member
> Thomas HardjonoM.I.T.Group Member
> Dee SchurOASIS *Group Member
> Patrick HardingPing Identity Corporation*Group Member
> Anil SaldhanaRed HatGroup Member
> Bill BeckerSafeNet, Inc.Group Member
> Tom CliffordSymantec Corp.*Group Member
> Kyle AustinTriCipher, Inc.Group Member
> Siddharth BajajVeriSignGroup Member
> Daniel TurissiniWidePoint CorporationGroup Member
> Jim Ducharme (Aveksa): Please add Jim Ducharme (Aveksa) to the =
attendee list.
> AnilSaldhana_RedHat: John, I usually copy paste into an editor and =
remove the "Group Member"
> Matt Rutkowski (IBM): The case of avoiding use of the same identity =
(token) (e.g. email address) seems new to the discussion as this leads =
to customer risk.  In cloud, it seems a real concern that there is a =
masking to the customer that they are accessing hosted (partner) =
services and that leads to inadvertent release of privacy information =
related to identity and at the worst perception that reuse of passwords =
for the same identity token is acceptable.
> John Bradley: NameCompany
> Andy KindredAcxiom
> John DilleyAkamai Technologies
> James DucharmeAveksa, Inc.
> Paul LiptonCA*
> Mark RobintonHID Global
> Heather HintonIBM
> Matthew RutkowskiIBM
> John BradleyIndividual
> Peter BrownIndividual
> Gershon JanssenIndividual
> Michael Stiefel*Individual
> Thomas HardjonoM.I.T.
> Dee SchurOASIS *
> Patrick HardingPing Identity Corporation*
> Anil SaldhanaRed Hat
> Bill BeckerSafeNet, Inc.
> Tom CliffordSymantec Corp.*
> Kyle AustinTriCipher, Inc.
> Siddharth BajajVeriSign
> Daniel TurissiniWidePoint Corporation
> AnilSaldhana_RedHat: I am bit under the weather. thanks to everyone =
for bearing my voice.
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