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Subject: Re: [id-cloud] Why we were born
Great, thanks Anil. Yes, your point is well taken and the Board realizes that requiring reviews for non-material changes is a major annoyance and enthusiasm killer. And we've really pulled the backlog of tickets down so that PRs don't wait 3 weeks to get started. In this case, we'll likely be able to start your public review the same week. Please make sure to include the link to the document being approved in Kavi in your motion in the minutes - that's the #1 issue that causes delays in tickets. Best, /chet On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 10:08 AM, Anil Saldhana <Anil.Saldhana@redhat.com> wrote: > Chet, as long as "15 day public review" process does not take 45days to > finish, I > do not have issues in going to PR, for minor editorial changes. :) > > Standards Development is not a primary job of some people like me. Oasis > rules should > take into account, the changing world and the need to maintain the > enthusiasm > of technical volunteers from companies. ;) > > I will put the latest editor's version for voting by the TC to send to 15 > day PR, at the Monday's > meeting. > > > On 03/15/2012 08:37 AM, Chet Ensign wrote: >> >> Hmm - that complicates matters. >> >> Here's the thing: if you make any changes to a draft after a public >> review, even changes as minor as this, then the document has to be put >> out for another round of review before you can vote to move it from >> CND to Committee Note status. Discussions are underway about seeing if >> we can ease that requirement, however I have to manage to the rules as >> they stand and section 3.2, Public Review of a Committee Draft is >> unambiguous: "If any changes are made to the draft after the public >> review, whether as a result of public review comments or from TC >> Member input, then the TC must conduct another review cycle. The draft >> may not be considered for approval by the TC as a Committee >> Specification or Committee Note until it has undergone a review cycle >> during which it has received no comments that result in any changes." >> >> So the options are that the TC can approve the last publicly reviewed >> CND to be put up for ballot as a Committee Note or submit this version >> for another 15 day PR cycle. >> >> Also, just to help ensure things go as smoothly as possible, when you >> approve a draft for an action in your meeting, I need to have the link >> to the document in Kavi that the TC is approving in the minutes and >> that same link provided in the ticket to TC Admin requesting the >> support. That ensures that we can always connect the dots, should we >> be asked, between the artifact that the TC approved and the one that >> TC Admin formally publishes in the OASIS Library. Motion language like >> this: >> >> "Do the members of the TC approve ID-Cloud Use Cases WD02 (contained >> in >> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/id-cloud/document.php?document_id=45416) >> as a Committee Note Draft and further approve it be released for >> public review?" >> >> ... in your minutes suits the need just fine. >> >> If it would be helpful, I would be happy to dial in to one of your >> meetings or call you separately and walk through the process step by >> step. I realize that there is a learning curve here and I'd like to >> help get through it in any way I can. >> >> Let me know if you have any questions about this or want to talk about >> next steps further. >> >> Best, >> >> /chet >> >> >> >> On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 7:43 PM, Matt Rutkowski<mrutkows@us.ibm.com> >> wrote: >>> >>> Yes, we agreed as a TC to remove the work "normative" in all its forms >>> and >>> approved the changes by motion at last week's TC call. Since to section >>> titles had "Normalize" in them the ToC had to be updated as well. Also, >>> fixed 1 table where the header row broke across pages making the table >>> unreadable. >>> >>> Kind regards, >>> Matt >>> >>> >>> >>> From: Chet Ensign<chet.ensign@oasis-open.org> >>> To: Matt Rutkowski/Austin/IBM@IBMUS >>> Cc: Anil Saldhana<Anil.Saldhana@redhat.com>, >>> "id-cloud@lists.oasis-open.org"<id-cloud@lists.oasis-open.org>, James >>> Bryce >>> Clark<jamie.clark@oasis-open.org>, Anthony Nadalin<tonynad@microsoft.com> >>> Date: 03/14/2012 03:30 PM >>> Subject: Re: [id-cloud] Why we were born >>> Sent by:<id-cloud@lists.oasis-open.org> >>> ________________________________ >>> >>> >>> >>> Matt, is this different from the version that went out for public review? >>> >>> Thx, >>> >>> /chet >>> >>> On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 4:00 PM, Matt Rutkowski<mrutkows@us.ibm.com> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Anil, >>>> >>>> We will need to have Chet reference the version with the agreed (as per >>>> TC >>>> minutes) upon editorial changes for final posting. >>>> >>>> This is the location for that revision (which reflects the voted >>>> editorial >>>> changes): >>>> >>>> >>>> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/id-cloud/download.php/45416/id-cloud-usecases-v1.0-wd02a.doc >>>> >>>> Kind regards, >>>> Matt >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> From: Chet Ensign<chet.ensign@oasis-open.org> >>>> To: Anil Saldhana<Anil.Saldhana@redhat.com> >>>> Cc: Anthony Nadalin<tonynad@microsoft.com>, >>>> "id-cloud@lists.oasis-open.org"<id-cloud@lists.oasis-open.org>, James >>>> Bryce >>>> Clark<jamie.clark@oasis-open.org> >>>> Date: 03/14/2012 12:43 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [id-cloud] Why we were born >>>> Sent by:<id-cloud@lists.oasis-open.org> >>>> ________________________________ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Anil, please enter a ticket at >>>> >>>> >>>> http://www.oasis-open.org/resources/tc-admin-requests/committee-note-ballot-request >>>> with the requested information. That gets your request onto the TC >>>> Admin work queue. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> /chet >>>> >>>> On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 1:23 PM, Anil Saldhana<Anil.Saldhana@redhat.com> >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Chet, >>>>> the TC has voted at the last meeting. Once the minutes are ready, >>>>> please >>>>> create a ballot to move it from CND to CN. >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> Anil >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 03/13/2012 06:40 PM, Chet Ensign wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Anil - Just a clarification on process. Not sure if I am >>>>>> understanding the below correctly, however the process for approving a >>>>>> CND as a CN (or CSD as a CS) is: >>>>>> >>>>>> - TC votes to request that TC Admin start a Special Majority Ballot >>>>>> for the TC to approve the CND as CN >>>>>> - Someone on the TC enters a Committee Note Ballot Request ticket to >>>>>> TC Admin at >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.oasis-open.org/resources/tc-admin-requests/committee-note-ballot-request >>>>>> including a link to the minutes recording the above vote >>>>>> - TC Admin sets up the ballot and notifies the TC >>>>>> - Once the ballot period is closed, and assuming of course that it >>>>>> passes, TC Admin prepares the CN, loads it to docs.oasis-open.org and >>>>>> announces it to the TC, OASIS members and the world at large. >>>>>> >>>>>> Peter is correct too - I can provide you with the URIs to the >>>>>> Committee Note once the ballot is closed and we start work on the CN >>>>>> itself. >>>>>> >>>>>> Let me know if you have any questions on this. I generally get the >>>>>> ballot started same or next day. >>>>>> >>>>>> Best, >>>>>> >>>>>> /chet >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 4:59 PM, Anil >>>>>> Saldhana<Anil.Saldhana@redhat.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> At the last meeting, our Use Case Document has been voted into >>>>>>> "Committee >>>>>>> Note" Status. Now the editors/TCAdmin should work to put it on the >>>>>>> Oasis >>>>>>> site. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 03/13/2012 01:53 PM, Anthony Nadalin wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Time has come where other organizations are asking for our use case >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> gap >>>>>>> analysis documents, in particular ITU-T SG17 Q8 is pulling together a >>>>>>> set >>>>>>> of >>>>>>> use cases and this effort would be best informed by the work that >>>>>>> this >>>>>>> TC >>>>>>> has done. So we need to make sure that the proposer procedures are in >>>>>>> place >>>>>>> to share these documents with other standards organizations, so maybe >>>>>>> Jamie >>>>>>> can give us the correct procedures to follow. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: id-cloud-unsubscribe@lists.oasis-open.org >>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: id-cloud-help@lists.oasis-open.org >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> /chet >>>> ---------------- >>>> Chet Ensign >>>> Director of Standards Development and TC Administration >>>> OASIS: Advancing open standards for the information society >>>> http://www.oasis-open.org >>>> >>>> Primary: +1 973-378-3472 >>>> Mobile: +1 201-341-1393 >>>> >>>> Follow OASIS on: >>>> LinkedIn: http://linkd.in/OASISopen >>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/OASISopen >>>> Facebook: http://facebook.com/oasis.open >>>> >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: id-cloud-unsubscribe@lists.oasis-open.org >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: id-cloud-help@lists.oasis-open.org >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> /chet -- /chet ---------------- Chet Ensign Director of Standards Development and TC Administration OASIS: Advancing open standards for the information society http://www.oasis-open.org Primary: +1 973-378-3472 Mobile: +1 201-341-1393 Follow OASIS on: LinkedIn: http://linkd.in/OASISopen Twitter: http://twitter.com/OASISopen Facebook: http://facebook.com/oasis.open
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