Re: [legalcite-markup-discuss] "visible text of the citation undisturbed"

[Patrick Durusau <patrick@durusau.net>]

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Chet,

On 10/30/2013 11:19 AM, Chet Ensign wrote:
> Well, how the model is constructed and used in tagging a citation
> will be part of the work the TC works out. What I'm trying to say
> is that if, looking at the displayed document, the reader sees "843
> A. 2d, at 527" before tagging, they can still see "843 A. 2d, at
> 527" after tagging - even if it was supposed to be "834" but
> somebody was typing too fast!
> 

OK, but that sounds like an odd case to be in "scope."

Why not:

*****
Enables legal citations to be richly annotated using markup.
*****

Neither annotation nor markup imply anything about display.

Better to spell "cites" out and qualify as "legal" citations.

Hope you are having a great day!

Patrick


> The key point being that whatever the visible citation looks like,
> it will not be necessary to fix it, normalize it, tidy it up, etc.
> in order to be able to drive functionality off it. *Can* fix it of
> course if that's desirable but won't be required to.
> 
> I may have mentioned this before, but I once mediated an argument
> between a programmer who wanted to 'fix' a citation in a Federal
> court opinion and a managing editor who explained, quite patiently,
> that whether or not the citation contained a typo, it was now the
> documented law of the land so the programmer had better figure out
> an alternative way to work with it.
> 
> /chet
> 
> 
> On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 10:48 AM, Patrick Durusau
> <patrick@durusau.net>wrote:
> 
> Greetings!
> 
> The first list item under scope in the proposed charter reads:
> 
> ***** Enables cites to be richly tagged while leaving the visible
> text of the citation undisturbed. *****
> 
> I have been puzzling over the "leaving the visible text of the 
> citation undisturbed" language here and elsewhere in these
> discussions.
> 
> It occurred to me this morning that one possible meaning is that
> the "visible text of the citation" means a tradition citation,
> like:
> 
> Marbury v. Madison, 5 U.S. 137
> 
> is an opaque text string, no intervening markup.
> 
> And, annotation comes from either:
> 
> <annotation + attributes>Marbury v. Madison, 5 U.S.
> 137</annotation>
> 
> or by a pointer to the text string: Marbury v. Madison, 5 U.S.
> 137.
> 
> But in either case, the "visible" citation is not encoded with
> markup to support the annotation.
> 
> That would make the annotation scheme independent of whatever
> print citation style is in use, although better systems will
> probably construct a replica of the print citation from the encoded
> metadata.
> 
> Close? Far away?
> 
> Please respond to the list.
> 
> Hope everyone is having a great day!
> 
> Patrick
> 
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