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Subject: Re: [legalcite-markup-discuss] "visible text of the citation undisturbed"

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On 10/30/2013 11:19 AM, Chet Ensign wrote:
> Well, how the model is constructed and used in tagging a citation
> will be part of the work the TC works out. What I'm trying to say
> is that if, looking at the displayed document, the reader sees "843
> A. 2d, at 527" before tagging, they can still see "843 A. 2d, at
> 527" after tagging - even if it was supposed to be "834" but
> somebody was typing too fast!

OK, but that sounds like an odd case to be in "scope."

Why not:

Enables legal citations to be richly annotated using markup.

Neither annotation nor markup imply anything about display.

Better to spell "cites" out and qualify as "legal" citations.

Hope you are having a great day!


> The key point being that whatever the visible citation looks like,
> it will not be necessary to fix it, normalize it, tidy it up, etc.
> in order to be able to drive functionality off it. *Can* fix it of
> course if that's desirable but won't be required to.
> I may have mentioned this before, but I once mediated an argument
> between a programmer who wanted to 'fix' a citation in a Federal
> court opinion and a managing editor who explained, quite patiently,
> that whether or not the citation contained a typo, it was now the
> documented law of the land so the programmer had better figure out
> an alternative way to work with it.
> /chet
> On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 10:48 AM, Patrick Durusau
> <patrick@durusau.net>wrote:
> Greetings!
> The first list item under scope in the proposed charter reads:
> ***** Enables cites to be richly tagged while leaving the visible
> text of the citation undisturbed. *****
> I have been puzzling over the "leaving the visible text of the 
> citation undisturbed" language here and elsewhere in these
> discussions.
> It occurred to me this morning that one possible meaning is that
> the "visible text of the citation" means a tradition citation,
> like:
> Marbury v. Madison, 5 U.S. 137
> is an opaque text string, no intervening markup.
> And, annotation comes from either:
> <annotation + attributes>Marbury v. Madison, 5 U.S.
> 137</annotation>
> or by a pointer to the text string: Marbury v. Madison, 5 U.S.
> 137.
> But in either case, the "visible" citation is not encoded with
> markup to support the annotation.
> That would make the annotation scheme independent of whatever
> print citation style is in use, although better systems will
> probably construct a replica of the print citation from the encoded
> metadata.
> Close? Far away?
> Please respond to the list.
> Hope everyone is having a great day!
> Patrick
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