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Subject: Re: [legalcitem] the trilogy of subcommittees
(Darn... beaten by Chet... ) Dear Brian, Il giorno 20/feb/2014, alle ore 01:29, Brian Carver <brian.carver@documentengineeringservices.com> ha scritto: > I think I agree with Daniel here, as this conversation has been making > me think that I hope we would take advantage of prior work in related > areas and not seek to re-invent the wheel where we conclude it's not > necessary. > I totally agree. Fortunately both in the document accompanying the birth of the TC and in the past of the current members it is possible to find a lot of competences that will prove useful. We are not wandering in the dark, here, I am sure. > In particular: > > 1. What other machine-readable taggings for citations (or something > similar) exist? Can we adapt one of these to legal citations? Attached to the call of participation of this TC [1] there was an Extended Charter. The first part has become the current charter of this TC, but the second part contains already a list of existing work in the area. Robin Cover maintains a longer list of references at [2]. To my knowledge, of the four technologies listed in the extended charter, two (Akoma Ntoso Naming Convention and ELI) are represented in our TC. Personally I would be VERY happy to adopt existing work, and I have a strong inclination not to reinvent wheels. On the other hand, most of these experiences come from a) legislation, b) civil law countries, and c) Europe. It will be most interesting to compare these findings with the needs and desiderata of a) court documents, b) common law countries and c) rest of the world. > 2. What vocabularies and/or metadata standards already exist for legal > documents? Could we adopt or adapt one or more of these? In part the answer to this question is the same as for the previous one: we have some XML vocabularies available, including Akoma Ntoso and CEN Metalex, represented in this TC. But in part I think this is a dangerous question, because I think it is bringing forward decisions on the produced output that will be competence of the group, including whether document formats will have a role in the specification of the syntax for references (which I personally doubt about). > If it were possible to plug a vocabulary from 2 into an existing tagging > standard from 1, then that might allow us to build on the good work of > others rather than re-discovering all the pitfalls they previously > confronted. Totally agreed, and rest assured that within the TC there will be more than enough preexisting competences to reach a good result. Ciao Fabio [1] https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/legalcitem/201401/msg00000.html [2] http://xml.coverpages.org/neutral-legal-citation-data-and-markup-models.html > > On 02/19/2014 06:15 AM, daniel@citizencontact.com wrote: >> Here are my suggestions for three subcommittees: >> >> 1. Map the World >> 2. String Theory >> 3. Deduce the Use >> >> >> >> There has been some interesting jumping into the deep end of the pool in >> the discussions. I would suggest the shallow end first to better outline >> the needed steps including requirements gathering. >> >> >> >> I would love to see a good research effort to "map the world." To find >> the historical methods of citations, all of the current places that >> citations are used both in terms of jurisdictions and forms, and what is >> currently being done for electronic citations. >> >> >> >> Although some of the insights into cites in the discussions have been in >> depth and helpful, I would like to see the whole variety of issues >> involved in citations as strings. How to template, the URI/URN/IRI/URL, >> etc. and encoding and escaped characters and .... more "string theory." >> >> >> >> And lastly, but importantly, a look at the end use of these electronic >> citations. Are the citations going to be used in non-XML documents? Will >> metadata be added to an envelope of citation material? Should there be a >> standard authentication token/regime/recognition for the citation or the >> cited material? Do we map the machine readable to a human presentable >> format (like epub/HTML/PDF/etc)? Can we look at mobile apps usage? Use >> cases generally? We need to know what uses the citations may be used for >> or "deduce the use." >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> >> >> Daniel Bennett >> >> daniel@citizencontact.com >> >> >> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from this mail list, you must leave the OASIS TC that > generates this mail. Follow this link to all your TCs in OASIS at: > https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/portal/my_workgroups.php > -- Fabio Vitali Tiger got to hunt, bird got to fly, Dept. of Computer Science Man got to sit and wonder "Why, why, why?' Univ. of Bologna ITALY Tiger got to sleep, bird got to land, phone: +39 051 2094872 Man got to tell himself he understand. e-mail: fabio@cs.unibo.it Kurt Vonnegut (1922-2007), "Cat's cradle" http://vitali.web.cs.unibo.it/
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