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Subject: RE:[legaldocml] Re: [akomantoso-xml] On ids and numbering
Hello,
Please find hereafter my comments (VPA: ) Kind regards Véronique Parisse AUBAY Luxembourg Orco House De : legaldocml@lists.oasis-open.org [legaldocml@lists.oasis-open.org] de la part de Grant Vergottini [grant.vergottini@xcential.com]
Envoyé : mardi 3 décembre 2013 19:45 À : akomantoso-xml@googlegroups.com Cc : legaldocml@lists.oasis-open.org Objet : [legaldocml] Re: [akomantoso-xml] On ids and numbering My comments are below at GCV:
On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 2:13 AM, Fabio Vitali
<fabio@cs.unibo.it> wrote:
Dear all, GCV: I agree. I would add though the the "num" part must be case-sensitive. I have cases, here in California, where sec_1__p_iv and sec_1__p_IV will both exist and will be identifiying different paragraphs. It is the practice here to use numbering a...z, A..Z, lower roman numerals, and upper lower roman numberals in the same sequence. (And yes, there is an unfortunate overlapping problem - but that can't be changed). VPA: I agree with the remark of Grant : num must be case sensitive.
GCV: I agree VPA: The numbering of the attribute is based on the numbering of the _expression_. So, the numbering is language specific ? How to make the correspondance between translation of the same structure ?
For example, if we add, in an act in force, two new articles after, for example, "article 1, without renumbering, the number will be :
Also, what is the number when, in the text, we found "Sole Article" ? Does we transform it to "1" ?
GCV: (assuming you mean "ttl_1__chp_2") I agree
VPA: When the footnotes are never renumbered, does we use the id of the containing element to prefix the footnotes ?
GCV: I agree VPA: When the document is an attachment of another one, the context must be composed with the prefix of the containing element; for exemple doc_1__annex_1__...
GCV: I agree VPA: ok
GCV: I think that some elements (notes, refs, and figures, in particular), may use a numbering context that is different from the surrounding context. Also, English tradition generally causes sections to be globally numbered rather than articles.
GCV: I think that how unnumbered elements are assigned an id will be a jurisdiction specific decision - and it will vary based on the case. I would prefer that unnumbered paragraphs (non-designated to use LRC jargon) be numbered within their immediate
surrounding context, but the refs and notes be numbered based on a higher context.
VPA: For footnote, the numbering is generally done by the author. But the number of a ref is done implicitly and is a technical number. Maybe it is better to have a number relative to the surrounding element structure : if you work with documents that are progressively improved, the number need to be implicitly recalculate each time there is a new ref inside this structure (because the author add one or because there is a detection of a ref in an existing document (more precise markup) ). Also, if an amendment add a new ref, the impact of this insertion depends on the greatness of the context
GCV: I feel quite strongly that ids should contain a minimal (rather than maximal) set of information required to identify an ite. That way, if the reference is abundant, you can always resolve it - by throwing away information that you don't need. If
the id was maximal, and the refernece was incomplete, it would not be possible to resolve it.
VPA: searching for "chap_1__sect_2__art_12__par_1", how can the resolver works without knowing anything of the tradition (is article continuous numbered or not ?). If a system is multi tradition, is it not necessary a proprietary of the document to inform about the algorithm used to build the id ?
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