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Subject: Re: [legalxml-courtfiling] "Must vote" for TC voting members
So if the point of the Blue Drafting Subcommittee is to have a formal mailing list for discussion of the work product of the Requirements Subcommittee, why not just make a new mailing list for it? Why go through the hassle of having an entirely new subcommittee? Also, why wouldn't the Requirements mailing list be appropriate for this discussion? Jim On Jan 5, 2005, at 12:27 PM, Scott Came wrote: > Let me make an attempt at clarification... > > One reason for creating the Blue Drafting Subcommittee was to have a > separate, OASIS-sanctioned mailing list for formal discussion of the > artifacts being developed by the Requirements Subcommittee. This is > opposed to general discussion of efiling and other TC business, which > continues to take place on the main TC list. That is, on the drafting > list you post specific proposals for modifying the artifacts as they > develop. > > The idea, I believe, is to have the drafting subcommittee be a > committee of the whole. > > --Scott > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Beard <beard@counterclaim.com> > Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 12:29:37 > To:Electronic Court Filing Technical Committeee > <legalxml-courtfiling@lists.oasis-open.org> > Subject: Re: [legalxml-courtfiling] "Must vote" for TC voting members > > Roger and all, > > > On Jan 5, 2005, at 11:35 AM, Winters, Roger wrote: > > <excerpt> > > <fontfamily><param>Tahoma</param><color><param>0000,0000,8080</ > param><bigger><bigger>The > "Blue Drafting" committee was defined to work with the products of the > requirements group, the discussions from the face-to-face and > telephone meetings of the technical committee, and the discussions > that will take place on the "Blue Drafting" committee's own e-mail > group (to be formed once chartered), and begin (with our hired > consultant) to produce (draft) the "Blue" specification. > </bigger></bigger></color></fontfamily> > > </excerpt> > > So the "Blue Drafting" committee will consist of parties that are > developing based on the products of the Requirements committee? That > makes sense, but doesn't seem to fall under the definition of "Blue > Drafting" that comes to mind for me. > > > You mention that the group will "begin to produce the 'Blue' > specification". What format do you imagine the Specification to take? > It seems to me that the Requirements subcommittee will be making > documentation and schemas. To me, documentation and Schemas form a > specification. That's why I am confused. As I understand it the > requirements committee is making the specifications. Also, all of the > deliverables outlined in the "Blue Drafting" committee are 'reviews'. > There are no defined documents to be delivered. So again, I'm > confused as to what the committee is supposed to do. > > > The first part of you response, which led me to believe that the Blue > Drafting committee would be developing, using and providing feedback > on what the Requirements committee produces makes sense. However if > that is the whole intent, I would suggest renaming it to the "Blue > Review" committee... > > > > > > > <excerpt><fontfamily><param>Tahoma</ > param><color><param>0000,0000,8080</param><bigger><bigger> > </bigger></bigger></color></fontfamily> > > > <fontfamily><param>Tahoma</param><color><param>0000,0000,8080</ > param><bigger><bigger>Regards,</bigger></bigger></color></fontfamily> > > > <fontfamily><param>Tahoma</param><color><param>0000,0000,8080</ > param><bigger><bigger> </bigger></bigger></color></fontfamily> > > > <fontfamily><param>Tahoma</param><color><param>0000,0000,8080</ > param><bigger><bigger>Roger</bigger></bigger></color></fontfamily> > > > <fontfamily><param>Tahoma</param><color><param>0000,0000,8080</ > param><bigger><bigger> </bigger></bigger></color></fontfamily> > > > <bold><fontfamily><param>Georgia</param><color><param>8080,0000,8080</ > param><bigger><bigger><bigger><bigger><bigger><bigger>Roger > Winters</bigger></bigger></bigger></bigger></bigger></bigger></ > color></fontfamily></bold> > > > <bold><fontfamily><param>Arial</param><color><param>0000,0000,8080</ > param>Programs > and Projects Manager</color></fontfamily></bold> > > > <bold><fontfamily><param>Arial</param><color><param>0000,0000,8080</ > param>King > County</color></fontfamily></bold> > > <bold><fontfamily><param>Arial</param><color><param>0000,0000,8080</ > param>Department > of Judicial Administration</color></fontfamily></bold> > > > <bold><fontfamily><param>Arial</param><color><param>0000,0000,8080</ > param>516 > Third Avenue, E-609 MS: KCC-JA-0609</color></fontfamily></bold> > > > <bold><fontfamily><param>Arial</param><color><param>0000,0000,8080</ > param>Seattle, > Washington 98104</color></fontfamily></bold> > > > <fontfamily><param>Arial</param><color><param>0000,0000,FFFF</param>V: > (206) 296-7838 F: (206) 296-0906</color></fontfamily> > > > <fixed><fontfamily><param>Courier > New</param><color><param>0000,0000,FFFF</param><x-tad- > bigger>roger.winters@metrokc.gov</x-tad-bigger></color></fontfamily></ > fixed> > > > <bold><fontfamily><param>Georgia</param><color><param>8080,0000,8080</ > param><x-tad-bigger> </x-tad-bigger></color></fontfamily></bold> > > > <bold><fontfamily><param>Georgia</param><color><param>8080,0000,8080</ > param><bigger><bigger><bigger><bigger><bigger><bigger>COMING > SOON!</bigger></bigger></bigger></bigger></bigger></bigger></color></ > fontfamily></bold> > > > <<image.tiff><fontfamily><param>Tahoma</param><x-tad-bigger>----- > Original > Message-----</x-tad-bigger></fontfamily> > > <bold><fontfamily><param>Tahoma</param><x-tad-bigger>From:</x-tad- > bigger></fontfamily></bold><fontfamily><param>Tahoma</param><x-tad- > bigger> > Jim Beard [mailto:beard@counterclaim.com]</x-tad-bigger></fontfamily> > > <fontfamily><param>Tahoma</param><x-tad-bigger> > </x-tad-bigger><bold><x-tad-bigger>Sent:</x-tad-bigger></bold><x-tad- > bigger> > Wednesday, January 05, 2005 10:59 AM</x-tad-bigger></fontfamily> > > <bold><fontfamily><param>Tahoma</param><x-tad-bigger>To:</x-tad- > bigger></fontfamily></bold><fontfamily><param>Tahoma</param><x-tad- > bigger> > Electronic Court Filing Technical > Committeee</x-tad-bigger></fontfamily> > > <bold><fontfamily><param>Tahoma</param><x-tad-bigger>Subject:</x-tad- > bigger></fontfamily></bold><fontfamily><param>Tahoma</param><x-tad- > bigger> > Re: [legalxml-courtfiling] "Must vote" for TC voting > members</x-tad-bigger></fontfamily> > > > <fontfamily><param>Arial</param><bigger><x-tad-bigger> </x-tad- > bigger></bigger></fontfamily></excerpt><excerpt> > > > <fontfamily><param>Arial</param><bigger><x-tad-bigger>John and > Others,</x-tad-bigger></bigger></fontfamily></excerpt><excerpt> > > > <fontfamily><param>Arial</param><bigger><x-tad-bigger> > </x-tad-bigger></bigger></fontfamily></excerpt><excerpt> > > > <fontfamily><param>Arial</param><bigger><x-tad-bigger> I would > imagine you are correct that the holidays played a major roll in the > lack of voting. Having said that however, after reviewing the attached > documents for the subcommittees I was left a little > confused.</x-tad-bigger></bigger></fontfamily></excerpt><excerpt> > > > <fontfamily><param>Arial</param><bigger><x-tad-bigger> > </x-tad-bigger></bigger></fontfamily></excerpt><excerpt> > > > <fontfamily><param>Arial</param><bigger><x-tad-bigger> My > understanding is that the Requirements Subcommittee is responsible for > developing use cases, a glossary, service descriptions of messaging > components, definitions of messaging profiles, and GJXDM compliant > schemas. While the Court Filing Blue Drafting subcommittee will simply > review what the other subcommittee produces. Is this a correct > understanding of the situation? If so why is there a need for the > CFBlue subcommittee. Shouldn't the entire TC be reviewing what the > requirements subcommittee > produces?</x-tad-bigger></bigger></fontfamily></excerpt><excerpt> > > > <fontfamily><param>Arial</param><bigger><x-tad-bigger> > </x-tad-bigger></bigger></fontfamily></excerpt><excerpt> > > > <fontfamily><param>Arial</param><bigger><x-tad-bigger>Thanks,</x-tad- > bigger></bigger></fontfamily></excerpt><excerpt> > > > <fontfamily><param>Arial</param><bigger><x-tad-bigger> > </x-tad-bigger></bigger></fontfamily></excerpt><excerpt> > > > <fontfamily><param>Arial</param><bigger><x-tad-bigger>Jim</x-tad- > bigger></bigger></fontfamily></excerpt><excerpt> > > > <fontfamily><param>Arial</param><bigger><x-tad-bigger> > </x-tad-bigger></bigger></fontfamily></excerpt><excerpt> > > > <fontfamily><param>Arial</param><bigger><x-tad-bigger>On Jan 4, 2005, > at 11:01 AM, John Greacen > wrote:</x-tad-bigger></bigger></fontfamily></excerpt><excerpt> > > > <fontfamily><param>Arial</param><bigger><x-tad-bigger> > </x-tad-bigger></bigger></fontfamily></excerpt><excerpt> > > > <fontfamily><param>Arial</param><bigger><x-tad-bigger>The subcommittee > charters failed to win approval in the voting that took place over the > Christmas holidays. Only 12 of our voting members voted, all in > support of the subcommittee > charters.</x-tad-bigger></bigger></fontfamily></excerpt><excerpt> > > > <fontfamily><param>Arial</param><bigger><x-tad-bigger> > </x-tad-bigger></bigger></fontfamily></excerpt><excerpt> > > > <fontfamily><param>Arial</param><bigger><x-tad-bigger> </x-tad- > bigger></bigger></fontfamily></excerpt><excerpt> > > > <fontfamily><param>Arial</param><bigger><x-tad-bigger> > </x-tad-bigger></bigger></fontfamily></excerpt><excerpt> > > > <fontfamily><param>Arial</param><bigger><x-tad-bigger>Tom Clarke and I > have decided to disregard this result, attributing non response to the > fact that the balloting took place during the holidays. Therefore, > voting members will not lose their voting status because they failed > to vote on the > charters.</x-tad-bigger></bigger></fontfamily></excerpt><excerpt> > > > <fontfamily><param>Arial</param><bigger><x-tad-bigger> > </x-tad-bigger></bigger></fontfamily></excerpt><excerpt> > > > <fontfamily><param>Arial</param><bigger><x-tad-bigger> </x-tad- > bigger></bigger></fontfamily></excerpt><excerpt> > > > <fontfamily><param>Arial</param><bigger><x-tad-bigger> > </x-tad-bigger></bigger></fontfamily></excerpt><excerpt> > > > <fontfamily><param>Arial</param><bigger><x-tad-bigger>I have reposted > ballots on these charters. The proposed charters are > attached.</x-tad-bigger></bigger></fontfamily></excerpt><excerpt> > > > <fontfamily><param>Arial</param><bigger><x-tad-bigger> > </x-tad-bigger></bigger></fontfamily></excerpt><excerpt> > > > <fontfamily><param>Arial</param><bigger><x-tad-bigger> </x-tad- > bigger></bigger></fontfamily></excerpt><excerpt> > > > <fontfamily><param>Arial</param><bigger><x-tad-bigger> > </x-tad-bigger></bigger></fontfamily></excerpt><excerpt> > > > <fontfamily><param>Arial</param><bigger><x-tad-bigger>Any voting > member who does not vote on these charters will lose his or her voting > member status.</x-tad-bigger></bigger></fontfamily></excerpt><excerpt> > > > <fontfamily><param>Arial</param><bigger><x-tad-bigger> > </x-tad-bigger></bigger></fontfamily></excerpt><excerpt> > > > <fontfamily><param>Arial</param><bigger><x-tad-bigger> </x-tad- > bigger></bigger></fontfamily></excerpt><excerpt> > > > <fontfamily><param>Arial</param><bigger><x-tad-bigger> > </x-tad-bigger></bigger></fontfamily></excerpt><excerpt> > > > <fontfamily><param>Arial</param><bigger><x-tad-bigger>I remind you > that the TC decided during the Las Vegas face to face meeting to > pursue an aggressive timetable for completion of Court Filing Blue. > That timetable includes approval of these > charters. </x-tad-bigger></bigger></fontfamily></excerpt><excerpt> > > > <fontfamily><param>Arial</param><bigger><x-tad-bigger> > </x-tad-bigger></bigger></fontfamily></excerpt><excerpt> > > > <fontfamily><param>Arial</param><bigger><x-tad-bigger> </x-tad- > bigger></bigger></fontfamily></excerpt><excerpt> > > > <fontfamily><param>Arial</param><bigger><x-tad-bigger> > </x-tad-bigger></bigger></fontfamily></excerpt><excerpt> > > > <fontfamily><param>Arial</param><bigger><x-tad-bigger>Thank you for > your > participation.</x-tad-bigger></bigger></fontfamily></excerpt><excerpt> > > > <fontfamily><param>Arial</param><bigger><x-tad-bigger> > 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