Re: [legalxml-courtfiling] Case Initiation Elements

["Scott Came" <scott@justiceintegration.com>]

Thanks John.

This is certainly a substantial list of data elements.  I've also noticed that there is some
overlap with the criminal complaint reference IEP work previously undertaken by the law enforcement reference IEP
projects earlier this year (based on work done earlier in LA County), and also the NCSC traffic citation reference
IEP.

I had thought our approach was to include such instances of other reference IEPs as one of the
documents in the Blue message structure, with only "basic" case information in the main body of the Blue
message.  For instance, it would certainly be straightforward for law enforcement to file a traffic citation case by
including in the main Blue message body the basic information (parties names, court info, case title, case type,
etc.)  Then the document (what we used to call the lead document) would contain the full citation information.  If
this were XML, we would hope it would be something close to (or derived from) the citation reference IEP, but
ultimately it would be whatever is standard in that jurisdiction.  But it would not have to be XML.  Regardless, the
"basic" case information included in the Blue message body would be standard for all compliant
implementations...this is what we must define in the specification.

Has this approach changed?

In any case, knowing how long it took to produce the current drafts of the criminal complaint and citation reference
IEPs, doing something similar would take much more time than we have allotted for this week's exercise.  If this list
of elements is to be included, we'll need to plan on a second session at a later time.

> I attach a Word
table setting forth the case initiation data elements that I
> have discovered to date.  They include input
from the Administrative Office
> of US Courts, Orange County, FLA, Minneapolis, Missouri, Utah, and King
> County, WA.  The list includes case initiation data for criminal, civil,
> bankruptcy, family, juvenile
delinquency, juvenile dependency, mental
> health, traffic and probate cases.
> 
> I am
indebted to all who sent data elements to me.
> 
> The exercise of putting this together convinces me
that we need to include
> some mechanism for easily extending our schema(s) to allow for the exchange
> of additional data elements.  After I had incorporated several criminal data
> element sets, I assumed
that I had the matrix well populated.  However, I
> found that each additional set of elements from a new
jurisdiction
> contributed several new elements not used in the multiple element sets that
> I had
already incorporated.
> 
> In short, I consider this a very substantial list of case initiation
> elements that will impress our stakeholders of the breadth of our inquiry.
> But I know it is not
exhaustive, and, as Dallas Powell continually points
> out, it cannot be made exhaustive no matter how much
work we commit to the
> task because of the unique data elements used and therefore required in
>
different states and different courts within some states.
> 
> I hope this is helpful to the reference
document effort at the end of this
> week.  I leave it to Scott Came to determine if and how it can be used
in
> that exercise.
> 
> John M. Greacen
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> 
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