Draft Minutes for End of Meeting Today

["Daniel Greenwood" <dang@mit.edu>]

Hi All,

Here are the draft minutes from the end of the meeting today.  Dr.
Leff will incorporate these into the full minutes and send out a draft
shortly.

Thanks,
 - Dan Greenwood


Meeting Minutes
eContracts TC, OASIS

Took over minutes from Dr. Leff.

Discussion of Hierarchical vs. Flat/Recursive Formats

Why not level 1,2,3, etc.

Good to have some semantic content, where all else is equal, when
explaining to lawyers what we are doing.

Most agreed it should be Article, Section, etc.

We can use our standard, but substitute other language later, is ok,
but Jason feels it is better if all use the same name.

Perhaps we should use content neutral elements and other names in a
final standard (e.g. 123abc, 234bcd), with mapping to our language.
But start with our language, as a way to tease out all the details and
nuances.  That way, it will be easy for speakers of other languages to
map to the same standard without knowing English or our specific legal
system.  But we would not put that out until after we are done with
the standards making process.

Point made that we can make that decision later, but it is also
possible to just have everybody map to the English.

Point made that it could be difficult when a user wants to put
paragraphs directly under Articles, and skip having sections.  Of
course, sometimes users wish to do that.

The recursive model avoids this.  Does not automatically imply a
hierarchy.  More powerful, in terms of technology.

However, the hierarchical model makes more sense to lawyers.

Also, hierarchical could be used, but people can just put everything
onto one level, if they don't want to muck around with this.

Jason made the motion: We should agree to a tentative model using a
hierarchical model: "Article, Section, Paragraph" and revisit it as we
go, but in meantime try to work out how we would implement it.  This
was agreed upon by all present.

   Possibility for Face to Face meetings

   International Conference on Artificial Intelligence and Law
   June 23-28 2003 Edinburgh Scotland

   OASIS Open Standards Conference October 1-3 Sydney Australia

   Court Filing Technical Committee and the ABA Legal Tech March 23,24
2004

   ABA Meeting in San Francisco, August, 2003.

We agree to re-commence holding our teleconferences on 5PM Eastern
22:00 GMT instead of 5PM starting on May 7th.

John Messing and Zoran Milosevic joined the meeting after the initial
roll was called and participated in the latter part of the session.

/end/

-----Original Message-----
From: Dr. Laurence Leff [mailto:D-Leff@wiu.edu]
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                         Agenda for Conference Call
                Electronic Contracts Technical Committee of the
                       OASIS Legal XML Member Section

                              April 9th
                             4PM Eastern
                Dial 512 225 3050  - Use 84759# for Pin Code
16:00:00 Wed Apr 09 2003 in America/New_York converts to
20:00:00 Wed Apr 09 2003 in GMT




1) Welcome and Roll Call

2) Discussion and Approval of Minutes of March 26th

3) Discussion of "information item" authored (Jason Harrop)
   Choosing between recursive and hierarchiccal clause models (Jason
Harrop)

4) New meetings

   Possibility for Face to Face meetings

   International Conference on Artificial Intelligence and Law
   June 23-28 2003 Edinburgh Scotland

   OASIS Open Standards Conference October 1-3 Sydney Australia

   Court Filing Technical Committee and the ABA Legal Tech March 23,24
2004

   ABA Meeting in San Francisco

   Should we restart holding our teleconferences on 5PM Eastern 22:00
GMT
   instead of 4PM Eastern 21:00 on May 7th or May 21st?

5) New Business