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<p style=3D'margin-left:.5in;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid blue = 1.5pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=3D2 = color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>My = view of the purpose of the Court Document standard is that it is to tag the data = used by the clerk and/or court, the data that is of use to practitioners for = their own purposes, as well as for other purposes such as electronic service, etc. I do not feel that those members of the TC interested in = Court Document should need to participate in a separate TC to ensure that the = Court Document standard meets our needs; the additional time to attend = meetings of multiple TCs is something that would be very difficult for many of us to do. At this point, I strongly oppose separating Court Document out = of the Court Filing TC. My primary concern is that there would be even = less identification with the Court Filing TC as a whole than there has been = in the past. Unless someone makes a strong case for doing so, I would be = voting that I cannot live with a proposal to separate Court Document from Court Filing.</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span = style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt: windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p style=3D'margin-left:.5in;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid blue = 1.5pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=3D2 = color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New Roman"><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>Thanks, </span></font><font color=3Dblack><span = style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font><= /p> <p style=3D'margin-left:.5in;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid blue = 1.5pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=3D2 = color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New Roman"><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>Catherine Krause </span></font><font color=3Dblack><span = style=3D'color:black'><br> </span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt; color:black'>E-Filing Project Manager </span></font><font = color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'><br> </span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt; color:black'>King County Department of Judicial Administration = </span></font><font color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'><br> </span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt; color:black'>(206)296-7860 </span></font><font color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'><br> </span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt; color:black'>catherine.krause@metrokc.gov </span></font><font = color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'><br> </span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt; color:black'> </span></font><font color=3Dblack><span = style=3D'color:black; mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal = style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom: 12.0pt;margin-left:.5in;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid blue = 1.5pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=3D3 = color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New Roman"><span = style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span></font><font color=3Dblack><span = style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font><= /p> <p style=3D'margin-left:.5in;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid blue = 1.5pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=3D2 = color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New Roman"><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>-----Original Message----- </span></font><font color=3Dblack><span = style=3D'color:black'><br> </span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt; color:black'>From: Diane.Lewis@usdoj.gov [<a = href=3D"mailto:Diane.Lewis@usdoj.gov">mailto:Diane.Lewis@usdoj.gov</a>] </span></font><font color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'><br> </span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt; color:black'>Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 8:53 AM </span></font><font color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'><br> </span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt; color:black'>To: 'courtfiling-doc@lists.oasis-open.org'; 'Roger.Winters@METROKC.GOV' </span></font><font color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'><br> </span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt; color:black'>Subject: RE: [courtfiling-doc] Breaking Court Document out = of Court Filing </span></font><font color=3Dblack><span = style=3D'color:black; mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal = style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom: 12.0pt;margin-left:.5in;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid blue = 1.5pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=3D3 = color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New Roman"><span = style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span></font><font color=3Dblack><span = style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font><= /p> <p style=3D'margin-left:.5in;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid blue = 1.5pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=3D2 = color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New Roman"><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>thanks Roger for quick response, </span></font><font color=3Dblack><span = style=3D'color:black; mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p style=3D'margin-left:.5in;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid blue = 1.5pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=3D2 = color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>i = would suggest that the Court Filing stakeholders who have an interest in XML = court document standard consider joining a separate Court Document TC .... = </span></font><font color=3Dblack><span = style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font><= /p> <p style=3D'margin-left:.5in;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid blue = 1.5pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=3D2 = color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>i = have not seen demonstrated at the Court Filing meetings the "close identification" between the two at the meetings i have = attended..... the last set of meeting notes to my mind indicate the opposite... that = the court filing envelope /transmission capability takes any BLOB... not exclusively a document that authored/created based on XML technologies/standards.</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span = style=3D'color:black; mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p style=3D'margin-left:.5in;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid blue = 1.5pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=3D2 = color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>i = would welcome a list of reasons from you and/or other ECF stakeholders as to = why the document/filing components should remain in tandum.... = </span></font><font color=3Dblack><span = style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font><= /p> <p style=3D'margin-left:.5in;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid blue = 1.5pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=3D2 = color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New Roman"><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>diane </span></font><font color=3Dblack><span = style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font><= /p> <p class=3DMsoNormal = style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom: 12.0pt;margin-left:.5in;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid blue = 1.5pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=3D3 = color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New Roman"><span = style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span></font><font color=3Dblack><span = style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font><= /p> <p style=3D'margin-left:.5in;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid blue = 1.5pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=3D2 = color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New Roman"><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>-----Original Message----- </span></font><font color=3Dblack><span = style=3D'color:black'><br> </span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt; color:black'>From: Roger.Winters@METROKC.GOV [<a href=3D"mailto:Roger.Winters@METROKC.GOV">mailto:Roger.Winters@METROKC.GO= V</a>] </span></font><font color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'><br> </span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt; color:black'>Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 11:40 AM </span></font><font color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'><br> </span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt; color:black'>To: courtfiling-doc@lists.oasis-open.org = </span></font><font color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'><br> </span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt; color:black'>Subject: RE: [courtfiling-doc] Breaking Court Document out = of Court Filing </span></font><font color=3Dblack><span = style=3D'color:black'><br> </span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt; color:black'>Importance: Low </span></font><font color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font><= /p> <p class=3DMsoNormal = style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom: 12.0pt;margin-left:.5in;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid blue = 1.5pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=3D3 = color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New Roman"><span = style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span></font><font color=3Dblack><span = style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font><= /p> <p style=3D'margin-left:.5in;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid blue = 1.5pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=3D2 = color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New Roman"><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>Diane, </span></font><font color=3Dblack><span = style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font><= /p> <p style=3D'margin-left:.5in;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid blue = 1.5pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=3D2 = color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>I = will, of course, represent the ECF TC to the Steering Committee by conveying its requests, recommendations, etc., there. There are, by the way, specific = OASIS procedures relating to the formation of Technical Committees, etc. = Whatever decisions are reached would be implemented within those procedures. = </span></font><font color=3Dblack><span = style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font><= /p> <p style=3D'margin-left:.5in;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid blue = 1.5pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=3D2 = color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New Roman"><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>Now, writing as an individual member of the ECF TC, I think this is the first time = I've heard a proposal to move the Court Document committee toward being its = own TC. I would think that Court Document needs to become more closely = identified with Court Filing, where many of its stakeholders are = involved.</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span = style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font><= /p> <p style=3D'margin-left:.5in;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid blue = 1.5pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=3D2 = color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New Roman"><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>Roger Winters </span></font><font color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'><br> </span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt; color:black'>Electronic Court Records Manager </span></font><font = color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'><br> </span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt; color:black'>King County </span></font><font color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'><br> </span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt; color:black'>Department of Judicial Administration </span></font><font color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'><br> </span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt; color:black'>516 Third Avenue, E-609 MS: KCC-JA-0609 </span></font><font color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'><br> </span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt; color:black'>Seattle, Washington 98104 </span></font><font = color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'><br> </span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt; color:black'>V: (206) 296-7838 F: (206) 296-0906 </span></font><font color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'><br> </span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt; color:black'>roger.winters@metrokc.gov </span></font><font = color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'><br> </span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt; color:black'> </span></font><font color=3Dblack><span = style=3D'color:black; mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p style=3D'margin-left:.5in;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid blue = 1.5pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=3D2 = color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New Roman"><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>-----Original Message----- </span></font><font color=3Dblack><span = style=3D'color:black'><br> </span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt; color:black'>From: Diane.Lewis@usdoj.gov [<a = href=3D"mailto:Diane.Lewis@usdoj.gov">mailto:Diane.Lewis@usdoj.gov</a>] </span></font><font color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'><br> </span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt; color:black'>Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 8:08 AM </span></font><font color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'><br> </span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt; color:black'>To: courtfiling-doc@lists.oasis-open.org = </span></font><font color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'><br> </span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt; color:black'>Subject: [courtfiling-doc] Breaking Court Document out of = Court Filing </span></font><font color=3Dblack><span = style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt: windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p style=3D'margin-left:.5in;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid blue = 1.5pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=3D2 = color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New Roman"><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>Roger, </span></font><font color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'><br> </span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt; color:black'> i am addressing this message through the court = document filing SC...instead of directly to you.... so others can provide their thoughts.</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span = style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt: windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p style=3D'margin-left:.5in;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid blue = 1.5pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=3D2 = color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>I = would like to request that you along with elected members to the LegalXML member = Section board... consider a realignment of Court Document ... instead of being designated as a subcommittee under Court Filing. I propose = that</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span = style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font><= /p> <p style=3D'margin-left:.5in;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid blue = 1.5pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=3D2 = color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New Roman"><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>the community consider it a separate TC.... the charter for the = </span></font><font color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'><br> </span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt; color:black'>subcommittee can be rewritten to justify the need to place = a definite boundary between court filing and court document. = </span></font><font color=3Dblack><span = style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font><= /p> <p style=3D'margin-left:.5in;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid blue = 1.5pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=3D2 = color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>i = look forward to learning your detailed views on this proposal as well as = learning the views of other court document SC members.</span></font><font = color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font><= /p> <p style=3D'margin-left:.5in;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid blue = 1.5pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=3D2 = color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New Roman"><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>thanks for considering this idea.... diane </span></font><font color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font><= /p> </div> </div> </body> </html> ------=_NextPart_000_0076_01C31B35.F35582B0--
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