From: Mike Edwards
[mailto:mike_edwards@uk.ibm.com]
Sent: 28 October 2010 09:53
To: oasis-charter-discuss@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: RE: [oasis-charter-discuss] BusDox: Charter issue
Folks,
I don't see any
relationship between the BusDox proposal and OASIS CMIS.
Yours, Mike.
Strategist - Emerging Technologies, SCA & SDO.
Co Chair OASIS SCA Assembly TC.
IBM Hursley Park, Mail Point 146, Winchester, SO21 2JN, Great Britain.
Phone & FAX: +44-1962-818014 Mobile: +44-7802-467431
Email: mike_edwards@uk.ibm.com
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From:
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"Dennis
E. Hamilton" <dennis.hamilton@acm.org>
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To:
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"'Jeremy
Roberts'" <jeremy@lonmark.org>,
<oasis-charter-discuss@lists.oasis-open.org>
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Date:
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28/10/2010
03:53
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RE:
[oasis-charter-discuss] BusDox: Charter issue
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And let's not forget the OASIS CMIS
Standard.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeremy Roberts [mailto:jeremy@lonmark.org]
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 12:38
To: oasis-charter-discuss@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: RE: [oasis-charter-discuss] BusDox: Charter issue
I too have questions similar to those of Ed (so for brevity, I won't go
into them). If someone closer to the project could give a comparison
of
this proposal to WebDAV, then many of my questions may be moot.
Thanks,
- Jeremy
Jeremy J. ROBERTS
Technical Director
LonMark International
-----Original Message-----
From: Ed Barkmeyer [mailto:edbark@nist.gov]
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 11:39 AM
To: oasis-charter-discuss@lists.oasis-open.org; David Connelly
Subject: [oasis-charter-discuss] BusDox: Charter issue
The intent of the BusDox project is described in the Charter as three
different ideas:
1. "The BusDox TC does not replace existing messaging service
standards.
It provides a simplified interface independent of the various standards
used for the exchange of documents."
Interface between what and what? "independent of the standards
used for
exchange" appears to be completely inconsistent with the description
of
the TC output as a set of Profiles for the standards used for exchange.
What was really intended here?
2. "Establish profiles for a lightweight and federated document
transport infrastructure supporting secure and reliable exchange of
electronic business documents." followed by many other bullets
that
begin "Profile ... (some other network services standard)"
This seems to be a good idea, consistent with several efforts of CEN and
the EU -- to standardize a set of protocols and options for business
document transmission, so that there is a well-defined layer cake of
protocols that create interoperability at every layer below the document
definition itself. But if this is the intent of the TC, then it
defines
a total end-to-end interface _/in terms of /_existing and emerging
standards, not _/independent of/_ them, as the sentence cited as (1)
above says.
3. "List of deliverables
The BusDox TC will produce an integrated set of Committee Specifications
including a set of XML Schemas and an XML-based request/response
protocol for exchange of documents."
I do not understand how a Profile or a set of Profiles is an XML Schema,
or is usefully rendered as one. Presumably the business documents
themselves are defined by standard XML Schemas chosen by the businesses,
e.g., ebXML or OAGI or PLCS or whatever. And every layer of the
Profile
below the document level is simply a specific configuration of the
referenced standards for that part of the addressing, packaging and
transmission controls. So what kind of XML schema would this TC
provide? And for whose consumption?
The intent of the XML Schema appears to be an additional activity not
mentioned in the Scope (as interpreted from "The committee
Specifications will cover" list) -- the definition of an
"XML-based
request/response protocol for exchange of documents". And it is
not
clear which bullet of the objectives list would lead to this activity.
Whatever this "development of a request/response protocol" is, it
should
be made one of the bullets of one of the lists.
This undescribed activity seems to be a direct replication of the ebMS
effort, to say nothing of the OAGIS and CEFACT simple webservices
commonly in use, bearing in mind that those standards define standard
document forms, and include acknowledgement messages (for asynchronous
one-way messages) and request-with-response rules for the use of
others. So it appears that the objective of this TC is not only to
profile the lower layers of the layer cake, but also to create yet
another standard for the actual business message envelope at the top
level.
Simply stated, creating a standard profile for the layers of the layer
cake is a very worthwhile task. Adding yet another "simple"
messaging
standard for conveying an arbitrary text or XML payload is not clearly a
worthwhile endeavour. Choosing an existing standard for that purpose,
as part of the overall Profile, would be consistent with the overall
intent of creating a standard interoperable suite of layers for
conveying arbitrary business documents.
I believe the Charter needs to be clarified in these regards, so that
the intent of this project is clear to the WS-I folk, the ebMS folk,
and the CEFACT folk.
Further, it is not clear that the identified participants include any
individuals who have been involved in any of the major standards that
are to be profiled, or any of the "similar or applicable work".
Yet no
formal liaisons are identified. Some significant effort must be made to
create and operate the liaisons between this TC and the organizations
responsible for the standards the TC expects to Profile, and the
implementors of those standards, lest this whole project result only in
academic shelfware.
-Ed Barkmeyer
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Edward J. Barkmeyer
Email: edbark@nist.gov
National Institute of Standards & Technology
Manufacturing Systems Integration Division
100 Bureau Drive, Stop 8263
Tel: +1 301-975-3528
Gaithersburg, MD 20899-8263
FAX: +1 301-975-4694
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