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Subject: Re: [oasis-member-discuss] Fw: [chairs] Possible change to TC voting rules - input requested


If your last para is true then where's the whole concern underlying this question come from?
 
Regards
John
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----- Original Message ----
From: David RR Webber (XML) <david@drrw.info>
To: John Borras <johnaborras@yahoo.co.uk>
Cc: oasis-member-discuss@lists.oasis-open.org; Frederick Hirsch <frederick.hirsch@nokia.com>
Sent: Monday, 23 October, 2006 4:59:06 PM
Subject: RE: [oasis-member-discuss] Fw: [chairs] Possible change to TC voting rules - input requested

John,
 
I'm inclined to say this whole question is moot.
 
Even the most resource flush companies - find it hard to justify having more than 3 or 4 people on the same committee!
 
In practice budget and project resource issues, deadlines and deliverables are the biggest restriction here.
Unless someone can really show where this has been consistently abused - I personally cannot remember any company (even the really big ones) having more than about 3 or 4 people on a committee for an extended period of time.  They quickly remove the non-essential persons and re-assign them.
 
If the BOD did find that an OASIS TC had been "stacked" - they have an opportunity to refer the standard approval back before it becomes finally approved - and ask for input from more members / contributors - and / or OASIS voting members themselves can also decide not to approve the specification if they feel its not representative enough.
 
DW

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [oasis-member-discuss] Fw: [chairs] Possible change to TC
voting rules - input requested
From: John Borras <johnaborras@yahoo.co.uk>
Date: Mon, October 23, 2006 11:39 am
To: Frederick Hirsch <frederick.hirsch@nokia.com>
Cc: oasis-member-discuss@lists.oasis-open.org

Hi Frederick.
 
My thinking was if there are currently say 5 people from the same organisation on a TC and they all can vote them they will probably all contribute fully.  Restricting that org to one vote might mean 2, 3 or 4 of them might become inactive thus reducing participation.  If the org was restricted to say max 3 members who can all vote then there's a strong chance you would keep a higher level of active participation from that org.   All ifs and buts and maybes I appreciate but possibly IMHO a better chance of keeping good participation.
 
Clearer?
 
Regards
John
M. +44 (0)7976 157745


----- Original Message ----
From: Frederick Hirsch <frederick.hirsch@nokia.com>
To: ext John Borras <johnaborras@yahoo.co.uk>
Cc: Frederick Hirsch <frederick.hirsch@nokia.com>; oasis-member-discuss@lists.oasis-open.org
Sent: Monday, 23 October, 2006 4:08:28 PM
Subject: Re: [oasis-member-discuss] Fw: [chairs] Possible change to TC voting rules - input requested

John

Thanks for your note.

Is not restricting participation level more restrictive than  
restricting voting, and more likely to potentially reduce involvement?

I'm not quite sure how this suggestion addresses your concern about  
reducing participation.

Perhaps I misunderstood your comment, hence my reply.

regards, Frederick

Frederick Hirsch
Nokia


On Oct 23, 2006, at 4:01 AM, ext John Borras wrote:

> This is a difficult one and I can see the arguments on both sides.  
> My main concern would be the effct that reducing voting power would  
> have on participation.  That's often hard enough as it is.  So on  
> balance I would say leave things as they are.
>
> Perhaps the way to stop large organisations dominating TCs and  
> votes would be to restrict the number of active members, and hence  
> votes, they can have on a TC?   This would have the added effect of  
> them not dominating the debates within TCs which can be equally a  
> problem as dominating voting.
>
> Regards
> John
> M. +44 (0)7976 157745
>
>
> ----- Forwarded Message ----
> From: Jeff Mischkinsky <jeff.mischkinsky@oracle.com>
> To: chairs@lists.oasis-open.org
> Sent: Friday, 20 October, 2006 11:21:06 PM
> Subject: [chairs] Possible change to TC voting rules - input requested
>
> Dear Chairs,
>     Please look at the following message about a possible change to
> TC voting rules:
>
> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/oasis-member-discuss/
> email/archives/200610/msg00000.html
>
>    and if you are so inclined please respond as requested to oasis-
> member-discuss@lists.oasis-open.org
>
> PLEASE do not respond on this -- the chairs list.
>
>    thanks,
>     jeff
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