RE: [odata] Agenda for OData TC meeting on 2017-01-12 - chat transcript

["Handl, Ralf" <ralf.handl@sap.com>]

[16:52] Room information was updated by: Stefan Hagen

OASIS Open Data Protocol (OData) TC OData TC Weekly Meeting (Conference Call) #157

- Thursday, 12 January 2017, 08:00am to 10:00am PT

  - i.e. 2017-01-12 17:00 to 19:00 CET (UTC+1)

Meeting Member URL:

- URL = "">https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/odata/event.php?event_id=43960

  - Please use starting approx. 15 minutes before the meeting for self registration. Thanks.

Agenda-Draft E-Mail URL:

- E-Mail Public URL = "">https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/odata/201612/msg00098.html 

Minutes Draft Public URL (previous meeting):

- URL = "">https://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/59664/odata-meeting-156_on-20161215-minutes.html

Online document walkthroughs or presentations:

- URL = "">https://sap.emea.pgiconnect.com/OData-TC/

Agenda Draft (for meeting #157):

- Roll call

- Approve agenda 

- Approve minutes from previous meeting(s)

  - Minutes from December 15, 2016 TC meeting: https://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/59664/odata-meeting-156_on-20161215-minutes.html

- Review action items [Action item list: https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/odata/members/action_items.php]

  - Action items due

    - #0036 Register the OData- headers and preferences with IANA

- V4.01 - Issues for V4.01_CSD02 in New or Open state

    - ODATA-674 Specify navigation property binding combined with containment

    - ODATA-760 Add to depth restrictions to Capabilities Vocabulary

    - ODATA-817 Add client-side function odata.matchesRegularExpression

    - ODATA-854 Consider use of OPTIONS for discovering formats, other capabilities and features

    - ODATA-868 Describe HTTP encoding for streamed requests and responses

    - ODATA-879 Support Arrays of Arrays

    - ODATA-884 Add term ErrorCodes to describe possible codes in error messages (public comment c201510e00019)

    - ODATA-919 Specify the result type for each operation based on operator types

    - ODATA-920 Specify overflow for int data types (-INF, INF, NaN)

    - ODATA-923 $expand (or $include) for $metadata to include referenced schemas

    - ODATA-950 Clarify what requests can be delta enabled

    - ODATA-962 CORS Support

    - ODATA-994 consider replacing SchemaVersion header with $SchemaVersion query option, or root URL versioning

    - ODATA-999 Consider adding support for 'aliases' on Entity sets, Singletons and Propertie

    - ODATA-1002 Add build in functions operating on collections of primitive (and complex?) types

    - ODATA-1003 Allow casting of entities and complex type instances to arbitrary structural type

    - ODATA-1005 Make sure we have capabilities for all new 4.01 functionality

    - ODATA-1008 Consider deprecating symbolic "max" length

    - ODATA-1011 Security experts at RSA suggest adding guidance on the use of OAuth and openID

    - ODATA-1014 How does client find out if implicit parameter aliases are supported?

    - ODATA-1015 Reference Atom format from Version 4.01 documents?

    - ODATA-1016 11.2.9: clarify /$count segment and system query options

    - ODATA-1017 Extend FilterExpressionRestrictions with "Pattern"

    - ODATA-1018 Allow $expand and $select with modifying requests that return a collection in combination with return=representation to specify the response shape

    - ODATA-1019 Add term Core.OptionallyComputed or Core.ComputedDefault

    - ODATA-1020 Remove / in reference in instance annotation in filter and orderby _expression_

    - ODATA-1021 Are additional values needed for the reason property of a removed Annotation

    - ODATA-1022 Add an example of a delta payload used in a PATCH request to the Delta Payload section

- Next meeting

  - Thursday January 19, 2017 during 8-10 am PST?

- AOB and wrap up

 

[16:52] Stefan Hagen: ParticipantInfo::Voting Members: 1 of 11 (9%) (used for quorum calculation)

[16:54] Stefan Hagen: ParticipantInfo::Voting Members: 2 of 11 (18%) (used for quorum calculation)

 

Room Information:

OASIS Open Data Protocol (OData) TC OData TC Weekly Meeting (Conference Call) #157

- Thursday, 12 January 2017, 08:00am to 10:00am PT

  - i.e. 2017-01-12 17:00 to 19:00 CET (UTC+1)

Meeting Member URL:

- URL = "">https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/odata/event.php?event_id=43960

  - Please use starting approx. 15 minutes before the meeting for self registration. Thanks.

Agenda-Draft E-Mail URL:

- E-Mail Public URL = "">https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/odata/201612/msg00098.html 

Minutes Draft Public URL (previous meeting):

- URL = "">https://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/59664/odata-meeting-156_on-20161215-minutes.html

Online document walkthroughs or presentations:

- URL = "">https://sap.emea.pgiconnect.com/OData-TC/

Agenda Draft (for meeting #157):

- Roll call

- Approve agenda 

- Approve minutes from previous meeting(s)

  - Minutes from December 15, 2016 TC meeting: https://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/59664/odata-meeting-156_on-20161215-minutes.html

- Review action items [Action item list: https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/odata/members/action_items.php]

  - Action items due

    - #0036 Register the OData- headers and preferences with IANA

- V4.01 - Issues for V4.01_CSD02 in New or Open state

    - ODATA-674 Specify navigation property binding combined with containment

    - ODATA-760 Add to depth restrictions to Capabilities Vocabulary

    - ODATA-817 Add client-side function odata.matchesRegularExpression

    - ODATA-854 Consider use of OPTIONS for discovering formats, other capabilities and features

    - ODATA-868 Describe HTTP encoding for streamed requests and responses

    - ODATA-879 Support Arrays of Arrays

    - ODATA-884 Add term ErrorCodes to describe possible codes in error messages (public comment c201510e00019)

    - ODATA-919 Specify the result type for each operation based on operator types

    - ODATA-920 Specify overflow for int data types (-INF, INF, NaN)

    - ODATA-923 $expand (or $include) for $metadata to include referenced schemas

    - ODATA-950 Clarify what requests can be delta enabled

    - ODATA-962 CORS Support

    - ODATA-994 consider replacing SchemaVersion header with $SchemaVersion query option, or root URL versioning

    - ODATA-999 Consider adding support for 'aliases' on Entity sets, Singletons and Propertie

    - ODATA-1002 Add build in functions operating on collections of primitive (and complex?) types

    - ODATA-1003 Allow casting of entities and complex type instances to arbitrary structural type

    - ODATA-1005 Make sure we have capabilities for all new 4.01 functionality

    - ODATA-1008 Consider deprecating symbolic "max" length

    - ODATA-1011 Security experts at RSA suggest adding guidance on the use of OAuth and openID

    - ODATA-1014 How does client find out if implicit parameter aliases are supported?

    - ODATA-1015 Reference Atom format from Version 4.01 documents?

    - ODATA-1016 11.2.9: clarify /$count segment and system query options

    - ODATA-1017 Extend FilterExpressionRestrictions with "Pattern"

    - ODATA-1018 Allow $expand and $select with modifying requests that return a collection in combination with return=representation to specify the response shape

    - ODATA-1019 Add term Core.OptionallyComputed or Core.ComputedDefault

    - ODATA-1020 Remove / in reference in instance annotation in filter and orderby _expression_

    - ODATA-1021 Are additional values needed for the reason property of a removed Annotation

    - ODATA-1022 Add an example of a delta payload used in a PATCH request to the Delta Payload section

- Next meeting

  - Thursday January 19, 2017 during 8-10 am PST?

- AOB and wrap up

 

[17:00] Stefan Hagen: ParticipantInfo::Voting Members: 3 of 11 (27%) (used for quorum calculation)

 

[17:00] anonymous morphed into Ted Jones (Red Hat)

[17:03] anonymous morphed into Mark Biamonte (Progress)

[17:03] anonymous morphed into Hubert Heijkers (IBM)

 

[17:04] Stefan Hagen: ParticipantInfo::Voting Members: 5 of 11 (45%) (used for quorum calculation)

 

[17:05] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): Voting Members: 8 of 11 (72%) (used for quorum calculation)

[17:07] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): Achieved quorum: Yes

[17:08] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): 2.Approve agenda [8:05 am PT]

 

[17:08] Mike Pizzo: Happy New Year everyone!

 

[17:08] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): Mike: discuss ISO standardization

[17:08] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): Do this after action items

[17:09] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): No further changes

[17:09] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): 3.Approve minutes from previous meeting(s) [8:10 am PT]

a.Minutes from December 15, 2016 TC meeting: https://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/59664/odata-meeting-156_on-20161215-minutes.html

[17:09] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): Minutes are approved

[17:09] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): 4.Review action items [Action item list: https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/odata/members/action_items.php] [8:15am PT]

a.Action items due

i.#0036 Register the OData- headers and preferences with IANA

[17:20] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): Mike and Mark discussed several points in the registration documents

[17:20] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): Mark will prepare review versions of the documents for week after next

[17:20] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): New agenda item: ISO standardization

 

[17:25] Mike Pizzo: OASIS Company Membership: https://www.oasis-open.org/member-roster

 

[17:26] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): Todo for all TC members working for a sponsor company: prepare press release text - Mike will verify that

[17:27] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): 5.V4.01 [9:20 am PT]

a.Issues for V4.01_CSD02 in New or Open state

[17:28] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): i.ODATA-674 Specify navigation property binding combined with containment

[17:30] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): Assigned to Mike and Huber

[17:30] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): ii.ODATA-760 Add to depth restrictions to Capabilities Vocabulary

[17:35] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): Mark to prepare a proposal

[17:35] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): iii.ODATA-817 Add client-side function odata.matchesRegularExpression

[17:36] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): Assigned to Ralf

[17:38] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): All: please send feedback on regular _expression_ syntax for your favorite programming language(s)

[17:38] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): Ralf: elaborate use cases, e.g. extending the validation vocabulary

[17:38] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): Mike: this would suggest to use the same RE syntax as JSON Schema

[17:39] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): iv.ODATA-854 Consider use of OPTIONS for discovering formats, other capabilities and features

[17:50] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): v.ODATA-868 Describe HTTP encoding for streamed requests and responses

[17:54] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): Hubert volunteers

[17:54] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): vi.ODATA-879 Support Arrays of Arrays

[17:55] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): Mike will take care of this

[17:55] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): vii.ODATA-884 Add term ErrorCodes to describe possible codes in error messages (public comment c201510e00019)

 

[17:56] Ted Jones (Red Hat): Have to step away for a 30 minute call (please don't assign anything to me like ODATA-879 while I'm gone) 

 

[17:57] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): @Ted: will do :-9

[17:58] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): Mike to check with Jeff Wight on requirements

[18:01] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): Ralf will prepare proposal, any comments are welcome

[18:02] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): viii.ODATA-919 Specify the result type for each operation based on operator types

[18:02] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): Evan is working on this

[18:02] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): ix.ODATA-920 Specify overflow for int data types (-INF, INF, NaN)

[18:02] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): ix.ODATA-920 Specify overflow for int data types (-INF, INF, NaN)

[18:03] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): Mike will prepare proposal

[18:07] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): Back to ODATA-919 Specify the result type for each operation based on operator types

[18:08] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): Mike: send input/thoughts on Evan's question on relaxing division by zero to allow returning null instead of failing

[18:08] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): Mark will look into SQL to see how this is dealt with there

[18:09] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): x.ODATA-923 $expand (or $include) for $metadata to include referenced schemas

[18:13] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): Mike will take this as he has stakeholders for this feature

[18:13] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): xi.ODATA-950 Clarify what requests can be delta enabled

[18:14] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): Matt Borges will prepare a proposal

[18:14] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): xii.ODATA-962 CORS Support

[18:17] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): xiii.ODATA-994 consider replacing SchemaVersion header with $SchemaVersion query option, or root URL versioning

[18:19] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): Ralf to contact Martin wrt caching

[18:19] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): xiv.ODATA-999 Consider adding support for 'aliases' on Entity sets, Singletons and Properties

[18:22] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): Hubert to close this without action

[18:22] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): xv.ODATA-1002 Add build in functions operating on collections of primitive (and complex?) types

[18:24] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): Hubert to check whether existing proposal reflects the discussion in the comments

[18:24] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): xvi.ODATA-1003 Allow casting of entities and complex type instances to arbitrary structural type

[18:25] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): Hubert will take this one

[18:25] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): xvii.ODATA-1005 Make sure we have capabilities for all new 4.01 functionality

[18:27] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): Tracking issue, will assign it once 4.01 is feature-complete

[18:28] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): xviii.ODATA-1008 Consider deprecating symbolic "max" length

[18:30] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): ODATA-1008 is OPEN

[18:32] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): Ralf to prepare proposal for compatibly deprecating max

[18:32] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): xix.ODATA-1011 Security experts at RSA suggest adding guidance on the use of OAuth and openID

[18:32] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): Stefan will take this one

[18:33] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): xx.ODATA-1014 How does client find out if implicit parameter aliases are supported?

[18:33] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): xxi.ODATA-1015 Reference Atom format from Version 4.01 documents?

[18:34] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): ODATA-1015 is OPEN

 

[18:35] Hubert Heijkers (IBM): I move to resolve ODATA-1015 by removing all the references in the v4.01 OData documents to Atom.

 

[18:35] Stefan Hagen: I second

 

[18:36] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): ODATA-1015 is resolved with the amended proposal

[18:36] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): Go back to ODATA-1014

[18:37] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): Close ODATA-1014 without action as it is a duplicate of ODATA-1005

[18:38] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): xxii.ODATA-1016 11.2.9: clarify /$count segment and system query options

[18:38] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): Replace 

The returned count MUST NOT be affected by $top, $skip, $orderby, or $expand. Content negotiation using the Accept request header or the $format system query option is not allowed with the path segment /$count. 

with 

The system query options $top, $skip, $orderby, $expand, and $format as well as content negotiation using the Accept request header are not allowed with the path segment /$count.

[18:41] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): Hubert: disallowing these query options is a breaking change

[18:45] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): Mike: clients SHOULD NOT combine these query options with /$count path segments

 

[18:45] Mike Pizzo: Propose change to direction to the client, as in: Clients SHOULD NOT combine system query options $top, $skip, $orderby, $expand, and $format as well as content negotiation using the Accept request header, with the path segment /$count.

[18:47] Mike Pizzo: Revised: Clients SHOULD NOT combine system query options $top, $skip, $orderby, $expand, and $format as well as content negotiation using the Accept request header, with the path segment /$count. The result of such a request is undefined.

[18:50] Mike Pizzo: further revised: Clients SHOULD NOT combine system query options $top, $skip, $orderby, $expand, and $format with the path segment /$count. The result of such a request is undefined.

 

[18:50] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): ODATA-1016 is OPEN

 

[18:50] Mike Pizzo: I second

[18:51] Mike Pizzo: I first

 

[18:51] Hubert Heijkers (IBM): I move to resolve ODATA-1016 as per the amended proposal.

 

[18:51] Mike Pizzo: I second

 

[18:51] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): ODATA-1016 is RESOLVED with the amended proposal

[18:51] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): xxiii.ODATA-1017 Extend FilterExpressionRestrictions with "Pattern"

[18:54] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): Mike: clarify that this property can only be used as the left operand

[18:56] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): ODATA-1017 is OPEN

[18:56] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): Ralf to prepare proposal

[18:56] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): 6.Next meeting [9:50 am PT]

a.Thursday January 19, 2017 during 8-10 am PST?

[18:57] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): a. is accepted

[18:58] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): 7.AOB and wrap up [9:55 am PT]

[18:58] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): Stefan: Redfish using OData 4.0

[18:58] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): Do we have a "registry" of OData users/implementers?

[18:59] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): Mike: odata.org has an ecosystem page that tries to track usage

[19:02] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): Stefan: work with Mike to bring OData to CTI OASIS TC

[19:03] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): Meeting is adjourned

 

 

From: odata@lists.oasis-open.org [mailto:odata@lists.oasis-open.org] On Behalf Of Handl, Ralf
Sent: Dienstag, 20. Dezember 2016 12:39
To: odata@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: [odata] Agenda for OData TC meeting on 2017-01-12

 

Here [1] is a draft agenda for the OData TC (Technical Committee) meeting scheduled on Thursday January 12, 2017 during 8-10 am PST (17:00-19:00 CET). For additional information, such as dial-in details and chat room, refer to [2]. For TC timeline, see [3]. Feel free to suggest additions or modifications.

 

Thanks.

 

[1] Agenda

 

1.        Roll call [8:00 am PT]

a.     Self-registration link: https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/odata/event.php?event_id=43960

 

2.        Approve agenda [8:05 am PT]

 

3.        Approve minutes from previous meeting(s) [8:10 am PT]

a.     Minutes from December 15, 2016 TC meeting: https://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/59664/odata-meeting-156_on-20161215-minutes.html

 

4.        Review action items [Action item list: https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/odata/members/action_items.php] [8:15am PT]

a.     Action items due

                                  i.    #0036 Register the OData- headers and preferences with IANA

 

5.        V4.01 [9:20 am PT]

a.     Issues for V4.01_CSD02 in New or Open state

                                  i.    ODATA-674 Specify navigation property binding combined with containment

                                 ii.    ODATA-760 Add to depth restrictions to Capabilities Vocabulary

                                iii.    ODATA-817 Add client-side function odata.matchesRegularExpression

                                iv.    ODATA-854 Consider use of OPTIONS for discovering formats, other capabilities and features

                                 v.    ODATA-868 Describe HTTP encoding for streamed requests and responses

                                vi.    ODATA-879 Support Arrays of Arrays

                               vii.    ODATA-884 Add term ErrorCodes to describe possible codes in error messages (public comment c201510e00019)

                              viii.    ODATA-919 Specify the result type for each operation based on operator types

                                ix.    ODATA-920 Specify overflow for int data types (-INF, INF, NaN)

                                 x.    ODATA-923 $expand (or $include) for $metadata to include referenced schemas

                                xi.    ODATA-950 Clarify what requests can be delta enabled

                               xii.    ODATA-962 CORS Support

                              xiii.    ODATA-994 consider replacing SchemaVersion header with $SchemaVersion query option, or root URL versioning

                              xiv.    ODATA-999 Consider adding support for 'aliases' on Entity sets, Singletons and Properties

                               xv.    ODATA-1002 Add build in functions operating on collections of primitive (and complex?) types

                              xvi.    ODATA-1003 Allow casting of entities and complex type instances to arbitrary structural type

                             xvii.    ODATA-1005 Make sure we have capabilities for all new 4.01 functionality

                            xviii.    ODATA-1008 Consider deprecating symbolic "max" length

                              xix.    ODATA-1011 Security experts at RSA suggest adding guidance on the use of OAuth and openID

                               xx.    ODATA-1014 How does client find out if implicit parameter aliases are supported?

                             xxi.    ODATA-1015 Reference Atom format from Version 4.01 documents?

                                           xxii.      ODATA-1016 11.2.9: clarify /$count segment and system query options

                            xxiii.    ODATA-1017 Extend FilterExpressionRestrictions with "Pattern"

                           xxiv.    ODATA-1018 Allow $expand and $select with modifying requests that return a collection in combination with return=representation to specify the response shape

                            xxv.    ODATA-1019 Add term Core.OptionallyComputed or Core.ComputedDefault

                           xxvi.    ODATA-1020 Remove / in reference in instance annotation in filter and orderby _expression_

                          xxvii.    ODATA-1021 Are additional values needed for the reason property of a removed Annotation

                         xxviii.    ODATA-1022 Add an example of a delta payload used in a PATCH request to the Delta Payload section

 

6.        Next meeting [9:50 am PT]

a.     Thursday January 19, 2017 during 8-10 am PST?

 

7.        AOB and wrap up [9:55 am PT]

 

[2] References

·         Conference call details: https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/odata/download.php/56760/TC%20meeting%20dial-in%20details.htm

·         Chat room: http://webconf.soaphub.org/conf/room/odatatc

 

[3] Timeline

·         https://www.oasis-open.org/committees/document.php?document_id=56024&wg_abbrev=odata