RE: [odata] Agenda for OData TC meeting on 2017-06-29

[15:01] Room information was updated by: Stefan Hagen

OASIS Open Data Protocol (OData) TC OData TC Weekly Meeting (Conference Call) #179

- Thursday, 29 June 2017, 08:00am to 10:00am PDT

  - i.e. 2017-06-29 17:00 to 19:00 CEST (UTC+2)

  - other timezone? Try eg.:

  - https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingdetails.html?year=2017&month=6&day=29&hour=15&min=0&sec=0&p1=47&p2=69&p3=179

UsefulPlaces:

- Chat:

  - http://webconf.soaphub.org/conf/room/odatatc   # ... this place

- ScreenShare and Voice:

  - https://sap.emea.pgiconnect.com/OData-TC/

Next Planned meetings (tentative):

- Thursday July 06, 2017 during 8-10 am PDT (17:00-19:00 CEST)

  - https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/odata/event.php?event_id=43985

- Thursday July 20, 2017 during 8-10 am PDT (17:00-19:00 CEST)

  - https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/odata/event.php?event_id=43987

- Thursday August 03, 2017 during 8-10 am PDT (17:00-19:00 CEST)

  - https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/odata/event.php?event_id=43989

- Thursday August 17, 2017 during 8-10 am PDT (17:00-19:00 CEST)

  - https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/odata/event.php?event_id=43991

- Thursday August 31, 2017 during 8-10 am PDT (17:00-19:00 CEST)

  - https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/odata/event.php?event_id=43993

Agenda-Draft E-Mail URL:

- E-Mail Public URL = "">https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/odata/201706/msg00091.html

Minutes Draft Public URL (previous meeting):

- URL = "">https://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/61046/odata-meeting-178_on-20170622-minutes.html

Online document walkthroughs or presentations:

- URL = "">https://sap.emea.pgiconnect.com/OData-TC/

Timeline:

- URL = "">https://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/59862/TC%20Timeline-2017-01-25.docx

Agenda Draft (for meeting #179):

==============================================================

1.  Roll call

  1.1 Self-registration link: https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/odata/event.php?event_id=43984

2.  Approve agenda

3.  Approve minutes from previous meeting(s)

  3.1 Minutes from June 22, 2017 TC meeting: https://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/61046/odata-meeting-178_on-20170622-minutes.html

4. Review action items [Action item list: https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/odata/members/action_items.php]

  4.1 Action items due

    None

5. Issues

  5.1 Atom: to be DEFERRED

    5.1.1 Sample motion:

      I move we DEFER the issues related to the Atom Format: ODATA-573, ODATA-593, ODATA-595, ODATA-596, ODATA-648, ODATA-649, ODATA-653, ODATA-655, ODATA-658, ODATA-659, ODATA-677, ODATA-719, ODATA-764, ODATA-772, ODATA-792, ODATA-898 and ODATA-990.

  5.2     CSDL JSON: to be CLOSED without action

    5.2.1 Sample motion:

      I move we CLOSE the issue ODATA-872 without action as CSDL JSON does not use JSON Schema any more to describe payload structure.

  5.3     Vocabularies: APPLIED

    5.3.1 ODATA-844 Provide JSON versions of the Core, Capabilities, Measures, and Aggregation vocabularies

    5.3.2 ODATA-886 Need a stable reference to latest/current OASIS OData vocabularies

    5.3.3 ODATA-1031 Define term for links to related information

  5.4 Vocabularies: NEW or OPEN

    5.4.1 ODATA-1085 Decide how to use V4.01 features in OASIS vocabularies

6. Data Aggregation [9:00 am PT]

  6.1. Gerald to walk us through the proposal on

    6.1.1 Grid-Like Access to Aggregated Data.docx

7. Next meetings  only bi-weekly during Summer vacation period?

  7.1 Thursday July 06, 2017 during 8-10 am PDT

  7.2 Thursday July 20, 2017 during 8-10 am PDT

  7.3 Thursday August 03, 2017 during 8-10 am PDT

  7.4 Thursday August 17, 2017 during 8-10 am PDT

  7.5 Thursday August 31, 2017 during 8-10 am PDT

8. AOB and wrap up

==============================================================

Meeting Member URL:

- URL = "">https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/odata/event.php?event_id=43984

  - Please use starting approx. 15 minutes before the meeting for self registration. Thanks.

  - Self registration deep link (as a service):

    - https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/odata/record_my_attendance.php?event_id=43984&confirmed=1

Note: Around 13:00 UTC accessibility errors for the OASIS workgroup pages from location of scribe (HTTP 502/Proxy Error)

[16:52] Stefan Hagen: FollowUp: OASIS staff is aware of the issue and is working on it - ti still seems to be in effect though - For registration I suggest as a workaround, we simply all register our presence here in the chat and the secretary updates the online database, when thee pages are accessible again.

[16:52] Stefan Hagen: @All: Stefan is present

Room Information:

OASIS Open Data Protocol (OData) TC OData TC Weekly Meeting (Conference Call) #179

- Thursday, 29 June 2017, 08:00am to 10:00am PDT

  - i.e. 2017-06-29 17:00 to 19:00 CEST (UTC+2)

  - other timezone? Try eg.:

  - https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingdetails.html?year=2017&month=6&day=29&hour=15&min=0&sec=0&p1=47&p2=69&p3=179

UsefulPlaces:

- Chat:

  - http://webconf.soaphub.org/conf/room/odatatc   # ... this place

- ScreenShare and Voice:

  - https://sap.emea.pgiconnect.com/OData-TC/

Next Planned meetings (tentative):

- Thursday July 06, 2017 during 8-10 am PDT (17:00-19:00 CEST)

  - https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/odata/event.php?event_id=43985

- Thursday July 20, 2017 during 8-10 am PDT (17:00-19:00 CEST)

  - https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/odata/event.php?event_id=43987

- Thursday August 03, 2017 during 8-10 am PDT (17:00-19:00 CEST)

  - https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/odata/event.php?event_id=43989

- Thursday August 17, 2017 during 8-10 am PDT (17:00-19:00 CEST)

  - https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/odata/event.php?event_id=43991

- Thursday August 31, 2017 during 8-10 am PDT (17:00-19:00 CEST)

  - https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/odata/event.php?event_id=43993

Agenda-Draft E-Mail URL:

- E-Mail Public URL = "">https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/odata/201706/msg00091.html

Minutes Draft Public URL (previous meeting):

- URL = "">https://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/61046/odata-meeting-178_on-20170622-minutes.html

Online document walkthroughs or presentations:

- URL = "">https://sap.emea.pgiconnect.com/OData-TC/

Timeline:

- URL = "">https://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/59862/TC%20Timeline-2017-01-25.docx

Agenda Draft (for meeting #179):

==============================================================

1.  Roll call

  1.1 Self-registration link: https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/odata/event.php?event_id=43984

2.  Approve agenda

3.  Approve minutes from previous meeting(s)

  3.1 Minutes from June 22, 2017 TC meeting: https://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/61046/odata-meeting-178_on-20170622-minutes.html

4. Review action items [Action item list: https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/odata/members/action_items.php]

  4.1 Action items due

    None

5. Issues

  5.1 Atom: to be DEFERRED

    5.1.1 Sample motion:

      I move we DEFER the issues related to the Atom Format: ODATA-573, ODATA-593, ODATA-595, ODATA-596, ODATA-648, ODATA-649, ODATA-653, ODATA-655, ODATA-658, ODATA-659, ODATA-677, ODATA-719, ODATA-764, ODATA-772, ODATA-792, ODATA-898 and ODATA-990.

  5.2     CSDL JSON: to be CLOSED without action

    5.2.1 Sample motion:

      I move we CLOSE the issue ODATA-872 without action as CSDL JSON does not use JSON Schema any more to describe payload structure.

  5.3     Vocabularies: APPLIED

    5.3.1 ODATA-844 Provide JSON versions of the Core, Capabilities, Measures, and Aggregation vocabularies

    5.3.2 ODATA-886 Need a stable reference to latest/current OASIS OData vocabularies

    5.3.3 ODATA-1031 Define term for links to related information

  5.4 Vocabularies: NEW or OPEN

    5.4.1 ODATA-1085 Decide how to use V4.01 features in OASIS vocabularies

6. Data Aggregation [9:00 am PT]

  6.1. Gerald to walk us through the proposal on

    6.1.1 Grid-Like Access to Aggregated Data.docx

7. Next meetings  only bi-weekly during Summer vacation period?

  7.1 Thursday July 06, 2017 during 8-10 am PDT

  7.2 Thursday July 20, 2017 during 8-10 am PDT

  7.3 Thursday August 03, 2017 during 8-10 am PDT

  7.4 Thursday August 17, 2017 during 8-10 am PDT

  7.5 Thursday August 31, 2017 during 8-10 am PDT

8. AOB and wrap up

==============================================================

Meeting Member URL:

- URL = "">https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/odata/event.php?event_id=43984

  - Please use starting approx. 15 minutes before the meeting for self registration. Thanks.

  - Self registration deep link (as a service):

    - https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/odata/record_my_attendance.php?event_id=43984&confirmed=1

Note: Around 13:00 UTC accessibility errors for the OASIS workgroup pages from location of scribe (HTTP 502/Proxy Error)

[16:57] Stefan Hagen: @RAlf: ^^^^^ ... please kindly note

[16:58] Stefan Hagen: ... I mean the proposal to fall back on manual registration in here ...

[16:59] Stefan Hagen: So, 7 and more of 12 should result in quorum.

[17:00] Stefan Hagen: @Mark: I have hereby noted your presence manually

[17:01] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): Also can't connect to the TC site/calendar for self-registration

[17:01] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): Let's track in the chat who is here

[17:01] Stefan Hagen: 3 / 12 present - 4 missing for quorum.

[17:01] Stefan Hagen: @Mike: I hereby register your presence

[17:02] Stefan Hagen: @Matt - ditto

[17:02] Stefan Hagen: 5 / 12 present - 2 missing for quorum

[17:03] Mark Biamonte (Progress): I am having trouble recording my attendance as well

[17:03] Stefan Hagen: I note, that Gerald is already in the Adobe live session connect - that would make 6 / 12 - 50% - thus 1 missing for quorum in my book

[17:04] Stefan Hagen: We are quorate as Hubert is registered here - 7 / 12 > 50%

[17:04] Stefan Hagen: @Ralf: We should be good to go!

[17:05] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): 2.Approve agenda [8:05 am PT]

[17:05] anonymous morphed into George Ericson (Dell)

[17:06] Stefan Hagen: @George: Your presence has been registered (here)

[17:06] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): 3.Approve minutes from previous meeting(s) [8:10 am PT]

a.Minutes from June 22, 2017 TC meeting: https://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/61046/odata-meeting-178_on-20170622-minutes.html

[17:06] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): Minutes are approved

[17:06] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): 4.Review action items [Action item list: https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/odata/members/action_items.php] [8:15am PT]

a.Action items due

i.None

[17:06] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): 5.Issues [8:20 am PT]

a.Atom: to be DEFERRED

i.Sample motion:

I move we DEFER the issues related to the Atom Format: ODATA-573, ODATA-593, ODATA-595, ODATA-596, ODATA-648, ODATA-649, ODATA-653, ODATA-655, ODATA-658, ODATA-659, ODATA-677, ODATA-719, ODATA-764, ODATA-772, ODATA-792, ODATA-898 and ODATA-990.

[17:08] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): Mike: how to distinguish these from "finally deferred" issues

[17:08] Hubert Heijkers (IBM): I move we DEFER the issues related to the Atom Format: ODATA-573, ODATA-593, ODATA-595, ODATA-596, ODATA-648, ODATA-649, ODATA-653, ODATA-655, ODATA-658, ODATA-659, ODATA-677, ODATA-719, ODATA-764, ODATA-772, ODATA-792, ODATA-898 and ODATA-990.

[17:08] Mark Biamonte (Progress): I second

[17:08] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): No objections, motion passes

[17:08] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): Ralf: "Finally deferred" have "Fix version: V5.0"

[17:09] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): b.CSDL JSON: to be CLOSED without action

i.Sample motion:

I move we CLOSE the issue ODATA-872 without action as CSDL JSON does not use JSON Schema any more to describe payload structure.

[17:10] Hubert Heijkers (IBM): I move we CLOSE the issue ODATA-872 without action as CSDL JSON does not use JSON Schema any more to describe payload structure.

[17:10] Michael Pizzo: I second

[17:10] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): ODATA-872 is CLOSED without action

[17:10] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): c.Vocabularies: APPLIED

[17:10] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): i.ODATA-844 Provide JSON versions of the Core, Capabilities, Measures, and Aggregation vocabularies

[17:11] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): Resolution: https://github.com/oasis-tcs/odata-vocabularies/commit/bbe3e3729f9fff53f679560eee370c14e8290e86

[17:14] Stefan Hagen: @Martin: Your presence has been registered (here)

[17:14] George Ericson (Dell): I move to approve ODATA-844

[17:14] Hubert Heijkers (IBM): I second

[17:15] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): ODATA-844 is CLOSED as applied

[17:15] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): ii.ODATA-886 Need a stable reference to latest/current OASIS OData vocabularies

[17:15] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): Resolution:

http://docs.oasis-open.org/odata/odata-vocabularies/v4.0/odata-vocabularies-v4.0.html

https://github.com/oasis-tcs/odata-vocabularies

[17:17] George Ericson (Dell): I move to apply resolution to ODATA-866

[17:17] Martin Zurmuehl (SAP SE): I second.

[17:18] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): ODATA-886 is CLOSED as applied

[17:18] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): iii.ODATA-1031 Define term for links to related information

[17:18] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): Resolution:

https://github.com/oasis-tcs/odata-vocabularies/commit/c0e912b0d926d31f4866746fc0f12f2aa331bdfc

[17:19] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): Example in Core vocab:

      <Annotation Term="Core.Links">

        <Collection>

          <Record>

            <PropertyValue Property="rel" String="latest-version" />

            <PropertyValue Property="href"

              String="https://oasis-tcs.github.io/odata-vocabularies/vocabularies/Org.OData.Core.V1.xml" />

          </Record>

        </Collection>

      </Annotation>

[17:21] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): Idea: add link to MarkDown version of vocabulary

[17:26] George Ericson (Dell): I move to apply resolution to ODATA-1031

[17:26] Michael Pizzo: I second

[17:26] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): ODATA-1031 is CLOSED as applied

[17:26] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): d.Vocabularies: NEW or OPEN

i.ODATA-1085 Decide how to use V4.01 features in OASIS vocabularies

[17:27] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): In ODATA-958 we decided to use the new abstract types Edm.AnyPropertyPath in terms of the Capabilities vocabulary.

Technically this requires to use Version="4.01" in the Edmx wrapper element (which we don't do yet).

Should we provide to "versions" of the Capabilities vocabulary, one restricted to Version="4.0" constructs, and one using Version="4.01"?

If yes, how should we do this technically: by creating a new schema name, e.g. Org.OData.Capabilities.V1_01, or by having two branches of the well-known current schema name. If the latter, which one is the "master" branch?

How should this be reflected in the OData Vocabularies work product: should we continue to publish CSDs for version 4.0 and in parallel have CSDs for version 4.01?

[17:30] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): George: naming convention for versions: would probably need a new major version, i.e. Capabilities.V2

[17:33] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): Current repo link: https://oasis-tcs.github.io/odata-vocabularies/vocabularies/Org.OData.Capabilities.V1.xml

[17:36] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): Mike: keep the namespace name, just use a different file name

[17:37] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): "file name with path" would be different if we create a new branch for V4.01

[17:40] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): Mike: probably want two branches, one per CSDL version (4.0, 4.01)

[17:41] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): Mike: then apply changes to both branches as long as they only use 4.0 features

[17:42] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): xmlns:edm="http://docs.oasis-open.org/odata/ns/edm"

[17:50] Michael Pizzo: Current: https://oasis-tcs.github.io/odata-vocabularies/vocabularies/Org.OData.Capabilities.V1.xml

[17:51] Michael Pizzo: V4.01: https://oasis-tcs.github.io/odata-vocabularies/vocabularies/4.01/Org.OData.Capabilities.V1.xml

[17:51] Michael Pizzo: Optionally: V4.0: https://oasis-tcs.github.io/odata-vocabularies/vocabularies/4.0/Org.OData.Capabilities.V1.xml

[18:08] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): Mike: just have different file names, e.g. Org.OData.Capabilities.V1-4.01.xml

[18:13] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): Cheating our way out of that problem would be to resolve ODATA-958 by adding optional properties NonFilterableNavigationProperties and NonSortableNavigationProperties that are collections of Edm.NavigationPropertyPath

[18:16] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): Mike: or add these to the NavigationPropertyRestriction type - Sortable, Filterable

[18:19] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): ODATA-1085 is OPEN

[18:20] Michael Pizzo: Here is the current capabilities definition for navigation property restrictions:

<Term AppliesTo="EntitySet Collection" Type="Capabilities.NavigationRestrictionsType" Name="NavigationRestrictions">

<Annotation Term="Core.Description" String="Restrictions on navigating properties according to OData URL conventions"/>

</Term>

<ComplexType Name="NavigationRestrictionsType">

<Property Type="Capabilities.NavigationType" Name="Navigability">

<Annotation Term="Core.Description" String="Supported Navigability"/>

</Property>

<Property Type="Collection(Capabilities.NavigationPropertyRestriction)" Name="RestrictedProperties" Nullable="false">

<Annotation Term="Core.Description" String="List of navigation properties with restrictions"/>

</Property>

</ComplexType>

<ComplexType Name="NavigationPropertyRestriction">

<Property Type="Edm.NavigationPropertyPath" Name="NavigationProperty">

<Annotation Term="Core.Description" String="Navigation properties can be navigated"/>

</Property>

<Property Type="Capabilities.NavigationType" Name="Navigability">

<Annotation Term="Core.Description" String="Navigation properties can be navigated to this level"/>

</Property>

</ComplexType>

<EnumType Name="NavigationType">

<Member Name="Recursive">

<Annotation Term="Core.Description" String="Navigation properties can be recursively navigated"/>

</Member>

<Member Name="Single">

<Annotation Term="Core.Description" String="Navigation properties can be navigated to a single level"/>

</Member>

<Member Name="None">

<Annotation Term="Core.Description" String="Navigation properties are not navigable"/>

</Member>

</EnumType>

[18:21] Michael Pizzo: (from https://oasis-tcs.github.io/odata-vocabularies/vocabularies/Org.OData.Capabilities.V1.xml)

[18:28] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): Mike to come up with an alternative "4.0" proposal for ODATA-958

[18:29] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): 7.Next meetings  only bi-weekly during Summer vacation period? [9:50 am PT]

a.Thursday July 06, 2017 during 8-10 am PDT

b.Thursday July 20, 2017 during 8-10 am PDT

c.Thursday August 03, 2017 during 8-10 am PDT

d.Thursday August 17, 2017 during 8-10 am PDT

e.Thursday August 31, 2017 during 8-10 am PDT

[18:32] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): Mike: meet next week, decide then which meetings to have during July and August

[18:32] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): a) is confirmed as next meeting

[18:32] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): 6.Data Aggregation [9:00 am PT]

a.Gerald to walk us through the proposal on

i.Grid-Like Access to Aggregated Data.docx

[18:33] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/odata/download.php/60801/Grid-Like Access to Aggregated Data.docx

[19:01] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): Meeting is adjourned

From: odata@lists.oasis-open.org [mailto:odata@lists.oasis-open.org] On Behalf Of Handl, Ralf
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Subject: [odata] Agenda for OData TC meeting on 2017-06-29

Here [1] is a draft agenda for the OData TC (Technical Committee) meeting scheduled on Thursday June 29, 2017 during 8-10 am PDT (17:00-19:00 CEST). For additional information, such as dial-in details and chat room, refer to [2]. For TC timeline, see [3]. Feel free to suggest additions or modifications.

Thanks.

[1] Agenda

1. Roll call [8:00 am PT]

a. Self-registration link: https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/odata/event.php?event_id=43984

2. Approve agenda [8:05 am PT]

3. Approve minutes from previous meeting(s) [8:10 am PT]

a. Minutes from June 22, 2017 TC meeting: https://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/61046/odata-meeting-178_on-20170622-minutes.html

4. Review action items [Action item list: https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/odata/members/action_items.php] [8:15am PT]

a. Action items due

i. None

5. Issues [8:20 am PT]

a. Atom: to be DEFERRED