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Subject: RE: Agenda for OData TC meeting on 2019-01-31 - chat transcript


[16:41] Room information was updated by: Ralf Handl (SAP SE)
Here [1] is a draft agenda for the OData TC (Technical Committee) meeting scheduled on Thursday January 31, 2019 during 8-10 am PST (17:00-19:00 CET). For additional information, such as dial-in details and chat room, refer to [2]. For TC timeline, see [3]. Feel free to suggest additions or modifications. 
 
Thanks. 
 
[1] Agenda
 
1.Roll call [8:00 am PT]
a.Self-registration link: https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/odata/event.php?event_id=47971 
 
2.Approve agenda [8:05 am PT]
 
3.Approve minutes from previous meeting(s) [8:10 am PT]
a.Minutes from January 24, 2019 TC meeting: https://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/64630/Minutes%20of%202019-01-24%20Meeting%20%23244.docx 
 
4.Review action items [Action item list: https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/odata/members/action_items.php?sort_field=due_closed_date] [8:15am PT]
a.Upcoming
i.#0037 Concept for Google Protocol Buffers as a data format  Hubert Heijkers  2019-03-28
b.In progress
i.#0036 Register the OData- headers and preferences with IANA  Mark Biamonte  2018-07-26
 
5.Issues [8:20 am PT]
a.APPLIED
i.ODATA-1188 Allow using instance annotations in $select and $expand  left-over
1.https://github.com/oasis-tcs/odata-abnf/pull/15 
 
ii.ODATA-1221 Apply, as much as possible, our JSON Format to our annotations as well
1.https://github.com/oasis-tcs/odata-csdl-schemas/pull/6  
2.https://github.com/oasis-tcs/odata-vocabularies/pull/34 
 
b.V4.01: NEW or OPEN 
i.ODATA-1278 Deleted Entity: @odata.removed possible in addition to @removed?
ii.ODATA-1277 null and empty paths in Annotation Path, Property Path, Navigation Property Path
iii.ODATA-1276 Explicitly allow the minus sign / dash in a search term
iv.ODATA-1263 Requirement for 204 (No Content) with 11.4.3 "Update an Entity" is not backwards compatible
v.ODATA-1260 Clarify read-write access via URLs differing from the canonical/read/edit URL
vi.ODATA-1259 Clarify @type (@odata.type) and metadata=full
vii.ODATA-1250 GeoJSON, SRID, and LineString
viii.ODATA-1243 Clarify whether $orderby and string comparison with ge, gt, le, lt is language-specific
ix.ODATA-1242 Clarify that resolved relative URIs in batch responses cannot contain content-ID references
x.ODATA-1238 Clarifications for select-list in ContextUrl
xi.ODATA-1168 Clarify the use of ETags for Avoiding Update Conflicts
xii.ODATA-1165 Describe $expand and $select via prose text and examples, remove ABNF snippets
 
xiii.ODATA-1267 URL Conventions example in 5.1.1.5.1 has "bad" whitespace
xiv.ODATA-1226 Ambiguity with Capabilities.ChangeTracking annotation
xv.ODATA-1198 ETag handling deviations from RFC7232 are avoidable if we consider two kinds of ETag (ETag in response header and ETag in response payload)
xvi.ODATA-1064 Add ability to annotate collections to return only count and NextLink
xvii.ODATA-1005 Make sure we have capabilities for all new 4.01 functionality
 
c.Data Aggregation: NEW or OPEN
i.ODATA-1256 Harmonize usage of custom aggregates with structured aggregatable properties
ii.ODATA-1218 Transformations for recursive hierarchy processing
iii.ODATA-945 Correct examples 53 and 54
 
d.Vocabularies: NEW or OPEN with concrete proposal
i.ODATA-1176 Capabilities: add new term SelectSupport
ii.ODATA-1099 Add annotations to describe custom query options and custom headers
 
e.Vocabularies: NEW or OPEN that need more discussion
i.ODATA-1275 Describing and querying "JSON properties"
ii.ODATA-1273 Define mapping of permission scopes to resources
iii.ODATA-1264 CRUD descriptions on entity sets
iv.ODATA-1214 Annotate constructor actions
v.ODATA-1140 ODATA-884 / Add details to HTTPResponseCode term
vi.ODATA-1107 Introduce instance annotation to specify which types an instance "implements"
vii.ODATA-1060 Improve specification of element response requirements
viii.ODATA-884 Enable enumerating the valid requests and responses for a particular resource.
 
6.Next meetings [9:50 am PT]
a.Thursday Febuary 07, 2019 during 8-10 am PST (17:00-19:00 CET)
b.Thursday Febuary 14, 2019 during 8-10 am PST (17:00-19:00 CET)
 
7.AOB and wrap up [9:55 am PT]
 
[2] References
Chat room: http://webconf.soaphub.org/conf/room/odatatc 
Conference call & Screen sharing: https://lync.co.sap.com/meet/ralf.handl/Q4QB1098 
Conference call details: https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/odata/download.php/63673/latest/TC%20meeting%20dial-in%20details.htm 
 
[3] Timeline
https://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/64563/TC%20Timeline%202019-01-23.docx

 

[17:00] Mark Biamonte (Progress): My previous meeting is running long.  I will likely be late in joining

 

[17:02] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): Voting Members: 4 of 9 (44%) (used for quorum calculation)
[17:04] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): Voting Members: 7 of 9 (77%) (used for quorum calculation)
[17:04] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): 2.Approve agenda [8:05 am PT]
[17:05] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): Agenda is approved without changes
[17:06] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): 3.Approve minutes from previous meeting(s) [8:10 am PT]
a.Minutes from January 24, 2019 TC meeting: https://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/64630/Minutes%20of%202019-01-24%20Meeting%20%23244.docx
[17:06] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): Minutes are approved
[17:06] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): Thanks to George!
[17:06] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): 4.Review action items [Action item list: https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/odata/members/action_items.php?sort_field=due_closed_date] [8:15am PT]
a.Upcoming
i.#0037 Concept for Google Protocol Buffers as a data format  Hubert Heijkers  2019-03-28
b.In progress
i.#0036 Register the OData- headers and preferences with IANA  Mark Biamonte  2018-07-26
[17:07] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): Skip for today
[17:07] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): 5.Issues [8:20 am PT]
a.APPLIED
i.ODATA-1188 Allow using instance annotations in $select and $expand  left-over
1.https://github.com/oasis-tcs/odata-abnf/pull/15

 

[17:12] Mike Pizzo: I second

 

[17:12] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): I move to merge https://github.com/oasis-tcs/odata-abnf/pull/15

 

[17:12] Mike Pizzo: I second again

 

[17:13] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): No objections, motion passes
[17:14] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): ii.ODATA-1221 Apply, as much as possible, our JSON Format to our annotations as well
1.https://github.com/oasis-tcs/odata-csdl-schemas/pull/6  
2.https://github.com/oasis-tcs/odata-vocabularies/pull/34

 

[17:15] George Ericson morphed into George Ericson (Dell)

 

[17:20] Mark Biamonte (Progress): I am on the call now

 

[17:23] George Ericson (Dell): Offline, need to research mapping from UML 2.5 EnumerationLiterals to the issues in ODATA-1221

 

[17:24] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): I move to merge 
1.https://github.com/oasis-tcs/odata-csdl-schemas/pull/6  
2.https://github.com/oasis-tcs/odata-vocabularies/pull/34

 

[17:24] Hubert Heijkers (IBM): I second

 

[17:25] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): No objection, motion passes
[17:25] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): b.V4.01: NEW or OPEN 
i.ODATA-1278 Deleted Entity: @odata.removed possible in addition to @removed?
[17:25] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): https://issues.oasis-open.org/browse/ODATA-1278
[17:34] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): ODATA-1278 is OPEN
[17:34] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): roposal:
Is control information and can be used with prefix odata.
 
Add subsection of 4.5 for it
 
Clean up use of "annotation" versus "control information" across the document

 

[17:39] Mike Pizzo: I move we resolved ODATA-1278 as proposed

 

[17:39] Hubert Heijkers (IBM): I second

 

[17:39] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): ODATA-1278 is RESOLVED as proposed
[17:39] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): ii.ODATA-1277 null and empty paths in Annotation Path, Property Path, Navigation Property Path
[17:39] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): https://issues.oasis-open.org/browse/ODATA-1277
[17:41] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): ODATA-1277 is OPEN
[17:41] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): Proposal:
Change text for restriction in section 14.4.1.3 Annotation Path to
 
A non-null path MUST resolve to an annotation.
 
Change text for restriction in section 14.4.1.5 Navigation Property Path to
 
A non-null path MUST resolve to a model element whose type is an abstract or concrete entity type, or a collection of abstract or concrete entity types, e.g. a navigation property.
 
Change text for restriction in section 14.4.1.6 Property Path to
 
A non-null path MUST resolve to a model element whose type is an abstract or concrete primitive or complex type, or a collection of abstract or concrete primitive or complex types, e.g. a structural property.

 

[17:41] Mike Pizzo: I move we resolved ODATA-1277 as proposed

 

[17:42] Matt Borges (SAP): i second

 

[17:42] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): ODATA-1277 is RESOLVED as proposed
[17:42] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): iii.ODATA-1276 Explicitly allow the minus sign / dash in a search term
[17:42] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): https://issues.oasis-open.org/browse/ODATA-1276
[17:43] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): ODATA-1276 is OPEN
[17:43] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): $search=red
[17:44] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): $search="red bicycle"
[17:44] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): $search=-2
[17:45] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): $search=red is the same as $search="red"
[17:45] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): $search=red OR bicycle
[17:47] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): $search=or
[17:47] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): $search="OR"
[17:47] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): $search=red "OR" bicycle

 

[17:48] Hubert Heijkers (IBM): I move to resolve ODATA-1276 as proposed

 

[17:48] George Ericson (Dell): Second ODATA-1277
[17:49] George Ericson (Dell): Second

 

[17:49] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): ODATA-1276 is RESOLVED as proposed
[17:49] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): https://github.com/oasis-tcs/odata-abnf/pull/14
[17:50] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): I move to merge https://github.com/oasis-tcs/odata-abnf/pull/14

 

[17:50] George Ericson (Dell): Second

 

[17:51] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): No objections, motion passes
[17:51] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): iv.ODATA-1263 Requirement for 204 (No Content) with 11.4.3 "Update an Entity" is not backwards compatible
[17:52] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): https://issues.oasis-open.org/browse/ODATA-1263
[17:53] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): Change text for Update an Entity (and for Update a Primitive/Complex/Collection Property) to
 
Upon successful completion the service responds with either 200 OK, or 204 No Content if the request included a Prefer header with a value of return=minimal.
 
Corresponding text for Create an Entity is
 
Upon successful completion the service MUST respond with either 201 Created, or 204 No Content if the request included a Prefer header with a value of return=minimal.
 
Corresponding text for Create a Media Entity is
 
Upon successful completion the service responds with either 201 Created, or 204 No Content if the request included a Prefer header with a value of return=minimal.
[17:54] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): Current (incompatible) text:
 
On success the service MUST respond with 204 No Content, or with 200 OK if the request included a return Prefer header with a value of return=representation.
[18:01] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): Discussion: is "minimal" always 204 No Content, or are services free to interpret "minimal"?

 

[18:08] Mike Pizzo: Current wording in Create suggests that 204 No Content is returned unless the preference is specified: 
Upon successful completion the service MUST respond with either 201 Created, or 204 No Content if the request included a return Prefer header with a value of return=minimal.

 

[18:08] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): ODATA-1263 is OPEN
[18:12] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): Intention in V3: on create return a representation, on update don't return a representation
[18:27] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): Upon successful completion the service responds with either 200 OK or 204 No Content.

 

[18:29] Mike Pizzo: If we wanted to point to prefer header: 
Upon successful completion the service responds with either 200 OK or 204 No Content. The client can explicitly request that the response include a body by specifying a prefer header with a value of return=representation.
[18:31] Mike Pizzo: Alternate:
Upon successful completion the service responds with either 200 OK or 204 No Content. The client can express a preference that the response include a body by specifying a prefer header with a value of return=representation.
[18:32] Mike Pizzo: As per George:
Upon successful completion the service responds with either 200 OK or 204 No Content. The client can express a preference that the response SHOULD include a body by specifying a prefer header with a value of return=representation.

 

[18:32] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): Upon successful completion the service responds with either 200 OK or 204 No Content. The client can explicitly request that the response SHOULD include a body by specifying a prefer header with a value of return=representation.

 

[18:35] Mike Pizzo: How about:
Upon successful completion the service responds with either 200 OK or 204 No Content. The client can request that the response SHOULD include a body by specifying a prefer header with a value of return=representation.

 

[18:37] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): Upon successful completion the service responds with either 200 OK or 204 No Content. The client may request that the response SHOULD include a body by specifying a prefer header with a value of return=representation.

 

[18:40] Mike Pizzo: I move to resolve ODATA-1263 as proposed

 

[18:40] Hubert Heijkers (IBM): I second

 

[18:40] Mark Biamonte (Progress): I second

 

[18:40] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): ODATA-1263 is RESOLVED as proposed
[18:41] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): v.ODATA-1260 Clarify read-write access via URLs differing from the canonical/read/edit URL
[18:41] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): https://issues.oasis-open.org/browse/ODATA-1260

 

[18:46] George Ericson (Dell): To retrieve an individual entity, the client makes a GET request to the URL that allows read of a single entity.
[18:47] George Ericson (Dell): To update an individual entity, the client makes an update request to the URL that allows update of a single entity.
[18:56] George Ericson (Dell): Issue is complex and needs more thought.

 

[18:56] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): 6.Next meetings [9:50 am PT]
a.Thursday Febuary 07, 2019 during 8-10 am PST (17:00-19:00 CET)
b.Thursday Febuary 14, 2019 during 8-10 am PST (17:00-19:00 CET)
[18:57] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): 7.AOB and wrap up [9:55 am PT]
[18:57] Ralf Handl (SAP SE): Meeting is adjourned

 

 

From: odata@lists.oasis-open.org <odata@lists.oasis-open.org> On Behalf Of Handl, Ralf
Sent: Donnerstag, 31. Januar 2019 11:28
To: odata@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: [CAUTION] [odata] Agenda for OData TC meeting on 2019-01-31

 

Here [1] is a draft agenda for the OData TC (Technical Committee) meeting scheduled on Thursday January 31, 2019 during 8-10 am PST (17:00-19:00 CET). For additional information, such as dial-in details and chat room, refer to [2]. For TC timeline, see [3]. Feel free to suggest additions or modifications.

 

Thanks.

 

[1] Agenda

 

1.        Roll call [8:00 am PT]

    1. Self-registration link: https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/odata/event.php?event_id=47971

 

2.        Approve agenda [8:05 am PT]

 

3.        Approve minutes from previous meeting(s) [8:10 am PT]

    1. Minutes from January 24, 2019 TC meeting: https://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/64630/Minutes%20of%202019-01-24%20Meeting%20%23244.docx

 

4.        Review action items [Action item list: https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/odata/members/action_items.php?sort_field=due_closed_date] [8:15am PT]

    1. Upcoming

                                  i.    #0037 Concept for Google Protocol Buffers as a data format – Hubert Heijkers – 2019-03-28

    1. In progress

                                  i.    #0036 Register the OData- headers and preferences with IANA – Mark Biamonte – 2018-07-26

 

5.        Issues [8:20 am PT]

    1. APPLIED

                                  i.    ODATA-1188 Allow using instance annotations in $select and $expand – left-over

        1. https://github.com/oasis-tcs/odata-abnf/pull/15

 

                                 ii.    ODATA-1221 Apply, as much as possible, our JSON Format to our annotations as well

        1. https://github.com/oasis-tcs/odata-csdl-schemas/pull/6 
        2. https://github.com/oasis-tcs/odata-vocabularies/pull/34

 

    1. V4.01: NEW or OPEN

                                  i.    ODATA-1278 Deleted Entity: @odata.removed possible in addition to @removed?

                                 ii.    ODATA-1277 null and empty paths in Annotation Path, Property Path, Navigation Property Path

                                iii.    ODATA-1276 Explicitly allow the minus sign / dash in a search term

                                iv.    ODATA-1263 Requirement for 204 (No Content) with 11.4.3 "Update an Entity" is not backwards compatible

                                 v.    ODATA-1260 Clarify read-write access via URLs differing from the canonical/read/edit URL

                                vi.    ODATA-1259 Clarify @type (@odata.type) and metadata=full

                               vii.    ODATA-1250 GeoJSON, SRID, and LineString

                              viii.    ODATA-1243 Clarify whether $orderby and string comparison with ge, gt, le, lt is language-specific

                                ix.    ODATA-1242 Clarify that resolved relative URIs in batch responses cannot contain content-ID references

                                 x.    ODATA-1238 Clarifications for select-list in ContextUrl

                                xi.    ODATA-1168 Clarify the use of ETags for Avoiding Update Conflicts

                               xii.    ODATA-1165 Describe $expand and $select via prose text and examples, remove ABNF snippets

 

                              xiii.    ODATA-1267 URL Conventions example in 5.1.1.5.1 has "bad" whitespace

                              xiv.    ODATA-1226 Ambiguity with Capabilities.ChangeTracking annotation

                               xv.    ODATA-1198 ETag handling deviations from RFC7232 are avoidable if we consider two kinds of ETag (ETag in response header and ETag in response payload)

                              xvi.    ODATA-1064 Add ability to annotate collections to return only count and NextLink

                             xvii.    ODATA-1005 Make sure we have capabilities for all new 4.01 functionality

 

    1. Data Aggregation: NEW or OPEN

                                  i.    ODATA-1256 Harmonize usage of custom aggregates with structured aggregatable properties

                                 ii.    ODATA-1218 Transformations for recursive hierarchy processing

                                iii.    ODATA-945 Correct examples 53 and 54

 

    1. Vocabularies: NEW or OPEN with concrete proposal

                                  i.    ODATA-1176 Capabilities: add new term SelectSupport

                                 ii.    ODATA-1099 Add annotations to describe custom query options and custom headers

 

    1. Vocabularies: NEW or OPEN that need more discussion

                                  i.    ODATA-1275 Describing and querying "JSON properties"

                                 ii.    ODATA-1273 Define mapping of permission scopes to resources

                                iii.    ODATA-1264 CRUD descriptions on entity sets

                                iv.    ODATA-1214 Annotate constructor actions

                                 v.    ODATA-1140 ODATA-884 / Add details to HTTPResponseCode term

                                vi.    ODATA-1107 Introduce instance annotation to specify which types an instance "implements"

                               vii.    ODATA-1060 Improve specification of element response requirements

                              viii.    ODATA-884 Enable enumerating the valid requests and responses for a particular resource.

 

6.        Next meetings [9:50 am PT]

    1. Thursday Febuary 07, 2019 during 8-10 am PST (17:00-19:00 CET)
    2. Thursday Febuary 14, 2019 during 8-10 am PST (17:00-19:00 CET)

 

7.        AOB and wrap up [9:55 am PT]

 

[2] References

 

[3] Timeline

 



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