RE: Agenda for OData TC meeting on 2019-02-28 - chat transcript

["Handl, Ralf" <ralf.handl@sap.com>]

Room information was updated by: Ralf Handl (SAP SE)

Here [1] is a draft agenda for the OData TC (Technical Committee) meeting scheduled on Thursday February 28, 2019 during 8-10 am PST (17:00-19:00 CET). For additional information, such as dial-in details and chat room, refer to [2]. For TC timeline, see [3]. Feel free to suggest additions or modifications. 

Thanks. 

[1] Agenda

1.Roll call [8:00 am PT]

a.Self-registration link: https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/odata/event.php?event_id=47975 

2.Approve agenda [8:05 am PT]

3.Approve minutes from previous meeting(s) [8:10 am PT]

a.Minutes from February 21, 2019 TC meeting: https://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/64748/Minutes%20of%202019-02-21%20Meeting%20%23248.docx  

4.Review action items [Action item list: https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/odata/members/action_items.php?sort_field=due_closed_date] [8:15am PT]

a.Upcoming

i.#0037 Concept for Google Protocol Buffers as a data format  Hubert Heijkers  2019-03-28

b.In progress

i.#0036 Register the OData- headers and preferences with IANA  Mark Biamonte  2018-07-26

5.Issues [8:20 am PT]

a.APPLIED

i.ODATA-1283 $search: ABNF comment is more restrictive than prose text

1.https://github.com/oasis-tcs/odata-abnf/pull/17/files 

ii.ODATA-1273 Define mapping of permission scopes to resources

1.https://github.com/oasis-tcs/odata-vocabularies/pull/35/files 

b.V4.01: NEW or OPEN

i.ODATA-1284 Allow referencing properties of "outer" entity in expressions nested within $expand

ii.ODATA-1282 How to set the mediaReadLink and mediaEditLink of a stream property

iii.ODATA-1168 Clarify the use of ETags for Avoiding Update Conflicts

iv.ODATA-1198 ETag handling deviations from RFC7232 are avoidable if we consider two kinds of ETag (ETag in response header and ETag in response payload)

v.ODATA-1260 Clarify read-write access via URLs differing from the canonical/read/edit URL

vi.ODATA-1286 What is the meaning of year 0, and negative years

vii.ODATA-1064 Add ability to annotate collections to return only count and NextLink

viii.ODATA-1005 Make sure we have capabilities for all new 4.01 functionality

c.Data Aggregation: NEW or OPEN

i.ODATA-1218 Transformations for recursive hierarchy processing

ii.ODATA-945 Correct examples 53 and 54

d.Vocabularies: NEW or OPEN with concrete proposal

i.ODATA-1285 ODATA-1099 / Add ReadableByKey to ReadRestrictions

1.https://github.com/oasis-tcs/odata-vocabularies/pull/41/files 

ii.ODATA-1264 CRUDQ descriptions on entity sets

1.https://github.com/oasis-tcs/odata-vocabularies/pull/40/files 

e.Vocabularies: NEW or OPEN that need more discussion

i.ODATA-1275 Describing and querying "JSON properties"

ii.ODATA-1214 Annotate constructor actions

iii.ODATA-1140 ODATA-884 / Add details to HTTPResponseCode term

iv.ODATA-1107 Introduce instance annotation to specify which types an instance "implements"

v.ODATA-1060 Improve specification of element response requirements

vi.ODATA-884 Enable enumerating the valid requests and responses for a particular resource.

6.Next meetings [9:50 am PT]

a.Thursday March 07, 2019 during 8-10 am PST (17:00-19:00 CET)

b.Thursday March 14, 2019 during 8-10 am PST (17:00-19:00 CET)

i.George will not attend on March 14, need volunteer for minutes

7.AOB and wrap up [9:55 am PT]

[2] References

Chat room: http://webconf.soaphub.org/conf/room/odatatc 

Conference call & Screen sharing: https://lync.co.sap.com/meet/ralf.handl/Q4QB1098 

Conference call details: https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/odata/download.php/63673/latest/TC%20meeting%20dial-in%20details.htm 

[3] Timeline

https://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/64563/TC%20Timeline%202019-01-23.docx

Ralf Handl (SAP SE): Voting Members: 1 of 9 (11%) (used for quorum calculation)

Ralf Handl (SAP SE): Voting Members: 4 of 9 (44%) (used for quorum calculation)

Ralf Handl (SAP SE): Voting Members: 5 of 9 (55%) (used for quorum calculation)

Ralf Handl (SAP SE): Achieved quorum: yes

Ralf Handl (SAP SE): Voting Members: 6 of 9 (66%) (used for quorum calculation)

Ralf Handl (SAP SE): Voting Members: 7 of 9 (77%) (used for quorum calculation)

George Ericson (Dell)1: Soaphub link needs to be https://soaphub.org/conf/room/odatatc.

Room Information:

Here [1] is a draft agenda for the OData TC (Technical Committee) meeting scheduled on Thursday February 28, 2019 during 8-10 am PST (17:00-19:00 CET). For additional information, such as dial-in details and chat room, refer to [2]. For TC timeline, see [3]. Feel free to suggest additions or modifications. 

Thanks. 

[1] Agenda

1.Roll call [8:00 am PT]

a.Self-registration link: https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/odata/event.php?event_id=47975 

2.Approve agenda [8:05 am PT]

3.Approve minutes from previous meeting(s) [8:10 am PT]

a.Minutes from February 21, 2019 TC meeting: https://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/64748/Minutes%20of%202019-02-21%20Meeting%20%23248.docx  

4.Review action items [Action item list: https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/odata/members/action_items.php?sort_field=due_closed_date] [8:15am PT]

a.Upcoming

i.#0037 Concept for Google Protocol Buffers as a data format  Hubert Heijkers  2019-03-28

b.In progress

i.#0036 Register the OData- headers and preferences with IANA  Mark Biamonte  2018-07-26

5.Issues [8:20 am PT]

a.APPLIED

i.ODATA-1283 $search: ABNF comment is more restrictive than prose text

1.https://github.com/oasis-tcs/odata-abnf/pull/17/files 

ii.ODATA-1273 Define mapping of permission scopes to resources

1.https://github.com/oasis-tcs/odata-vocabularies/pull/35/files 

b.V4.01: NEW or OPEN

i.ODATA-1284 Allow referencing properties of "outer" entity in expressions nested within $expand

ii.ODATA-1282 How to set the mediaReadLink and mediaEditLink of a stream property

iii.ODATA-1168 Clarify the use of ETags for Avoiding Update Conflicts

iv.ODATA-1198 ETag handling deviations from RFC7232 are avoidable if we consider two kinds of ETag (ETag in response header and ETag in response payload)

v.ODATA-1260 Clarify read-write access via URLs differing from the canonical/read/edit URL

vi.ODATA-1286 What is the meaning of year 0, and negative years

vii.ODATA-1064 Add ability to annotate collections to return only count and NextLink

viii.ODATA-1005 Make sure we have capabilities for all new 4.01 functionality

c.Data Aggregation: NEW or OPEN

i.ODATA-1218 Transformations for recursive hierarchy processing

ii.ODATA-945 Correct examples 53 and 54

d.Vocabularies: NEW or OPEN with concrete proposal

i.ODATA-1285 ODATA-1099 / Add ReadableByKey to ReadRestrictions

1.https://github.com/oasis-tcs/odata-vocabularies/pull/41/files 

ii.ODATA-1264 CRUDQ descriptions on entity sets

1.https://github.com/oasis-tcs/odata-vocabularies/pull/40/files 

e.Vocabularies: NEW or OPEN that need more discussion

i.ODATA-1275 Describing and querying "JSON properties"

ii.ODATA-1214 Annotate constructor actions

iii.ODATA-1140 ODATA-884 / Add details to HTTPResponseCode term

iv.ODATA-1107 Introduce instance annotation to specify which types an instance "implements"

v.ODATA-1060 Improve specification of element response requirements

vi.ODATA-884 Enable enumerating the valid requests and responses for a particular resource.

6.Next meetings [9:50 am PT]

a.Thursday March 07, 2019 during 8-10 am PST (17:00-19:00 CET)

b.Thursday March 14, 2019 during 8-10 am PST (17:00-19:00 CET)

i.George will not attend on March 14, need volunteer for minutes

7.AOB and wrap up [9:55 am PT]

[2] References

Chat room: http://webconf.soaphub.org/conf/room/odatatc 

Conference call & Screen sharing: https://lync.co.sap.com/meet/ralf.handl/Q4QB1098 

Conference call details: https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/odata/download.php/63673/latest/TC%20meeting%20dial-in%20details.htm 

[3] Timeline

https://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/64563/TC%20Timeline%202019-01-23.docx

[17:06] anonymous morphed into Ralf Handl (SAP)

 

[17:08] Ralf Handl (SAP): Voting Members: 8 of 9 (88%) (used for quorum calculation)

[17:08] Ralf Handl (SAP): Achieved quorum: yes

[17:09] Ralf Handl (SAP): 2.Approve agenda [8:05 am PT]

[17:09] Ralf Handl (SAP): Agenda is approved

[17:09] Ralf Handl (SAP): 3.Approve minutes from previous meeting(s) [8:10 am PT]

a.Minutes from February 21, 2019 TC meeting: https://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/64748/Minutes%20of%202019-02-21%20Meeting%20%23248.docx

[17:10] Ralf Handl (SAP): No remarks, minutes are approved

[17:10] Ralf Handl (SAP): 4.Review action items [Action item list: https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/odata/members/action_items.php?sort_field=due_closed_date] [8:15am PT]

a.Upcoming

i.#0037 Concept for Google Protocol Buffers as a data format  Hubert Heijkers  2019-03-28

b.In progress

i.#0036 Register the OData- headers and preferences with IANA  Mark Biamonte  2018-07-26

[17:13] Ralf Handl (SAP): Create separate committee note for the unprefixed headers and preferences

[17:13] Ralf Handl (SAP): Contents of CN

[17:13] Ralf Handl (SAP): - describe in non-OData terminology the headers and preferences we want to register

[17:14] Ralf Handl (SAP): - Mark Biamonte as editor

[17:14] Ralf Handl (SAP): - Mike Pizzo as second editor

[17:15] Ralf Handl (SAP): Mark and Mike to propose a title for the committee note

[17:19] Ralf Handl (SAP): Headers and Preferences for transferring/replicating/synchronizing/requesting large data volumes

[17:22] Ralf Handl (SAP): 5.Issues [8:20 am PT]

a.APPLIED

i.ODATA-1283 $search: ABNF comment is more restrictive than prose text

1.https://github.com/oasis-tcs/odata-abnf/pull/17/files

[17:27] Ralf Handl (SAP): I move to merge https://github.com/oasis-tcs/odata-abnf/pull/17 and close https://issues.oasis-open.org/browse/ODATA-1283 as applied

 

[17:27] Mike Pizzo: I second

 

[17:28] Ralf Handl (SAP): No objections, motion passes

[17:28] Ralf Handl (SAP): ii.ODATA-1273 Define mapping of permission scopes to resources

1.https://github.com/oasis-tcs/odata-vocabularies/pull/35/files

[17:29] Ralf Handl (SAP): Skip for today

[17:29] Ralf Handl (SAP): b.V4.01: NEW or OPEN

i.ODATA-1284 Allow referencing properties of "outer" entity in expressions nested within $expand

[17:29] Ralf Handl (SAP): https://issues.oasis-open.org/browse/ODATA-1284

[17:49] Ralf Handl (SAP): Mike: preference for $alias as this announces the intent before it is used

[17:49] Ralf Handl (SAP): Mike: $alias is more explicit

[17:53] Ralf Handl (SAP): Ralf: $alias requires client to invent unique names

[17:55] Ralf Handl (SAP): Mike: could prefix with $, so anything except $it and $this and $root is allowed

[17:55] Ralf Handl (SAP): Would prevent us from inventing new $xxx symbols

[17:57] Ralf Handl (SAP): Mike: ../ is not appropriate

[17:58] Ralf Handl (SAP): Mike: $outer might be better because it doesn't imply a hierarchy

[17:58] Ralf Handl (SAP): Mike: $previous

[17:58] Ralf Handl (SAP): George prefers $outer over $previous

 

[18:00] Ramesh Reddy (RedHat)1: $parent?

 

[18:02] Ralf Handl (SAP): Postpone to next week, think about other names, e.g. $nextouter

[18:02] Ralf Handl (SAP): ii.ODATA-1282 How to set the mediaReadLink and mediaEditLink of a stream property

 

[18:05] Mike Pizzo: Note: the streams that the client specifies location information for work like any other streams (i.e., you can fetch the value of the stream using canonical syntax, expand (if supported) etc.)

[18:06] Mike Pizzo: Otherwise, if it doesn't behave as a stream, you would just expose as a string property with the isUrl annotation term applied.

[18:08] Mike Pizzo: I move we approve ODATA-1282 as proposed

 

[18:08] George Ericson (Dell): Second

 

[18:09] Ralf Handl (SAP): ODATA-1282 is RESOLVED as proposed

[18:09] Ralf Handl (SAP): iii.ODATA-1168 Clarify the use of ETags for Avoiding Update Conflicts

[18:26] Ralf Handl (SAP): Current text in JSON Format

An entity reference (see [OData-Protocol]) MAY take the place of an entity in a JSON payload, based on the client request. It is serialized as a JSON object that MUST contain the id of the referenced entity and MAY contain the type control information and instance annotations, but no additional properties.

[18:54] Ralf Handl (SAP): Mike: semantics described in the issue is correct

[18:55] Ralf Handl (SAP): Question: in JSON Format: if we have an object with @id and @etag: is this a reference or is this a very rudimentary object?

[18:58] Ralf Handl (SAP): 6.Next meetings [9:50 am PT]

a.Thursday March 07, 2019 during 8-10 am PST (17:00-19:00 CET)

b.Thursday March 14, 2019 during 8-10 am PST (17:00-19:00 CET)

i.George will not attend on March 14, need volunteer for minutes

[18:59] Ralf Handl (SAP): 7.AOB and wrap up [9:55 am PT]

[18:59] Ralf Handl (SAP): Meeting is adjourned

 

 

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Subject: [CAUTION] [odata] Agenda for OData TC meeting on 2019-02-28

 

Here [1] is a draft agenda for the OData TC (Technical Committee) meeting scheduled on Thursday February 28, 2019 during 8-10 am PST (17:00-19:00 CET). For additional information, such as dial-in details and chat room, refer to [2]. For TC timeline, see [3]. Feel free to suggest additions or modifications.

 

Thanks.

 

[1] Agenda

 

1.        Roll call [8:00 am PT]

1. Self-registration link: https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/odata/event.php?event_id=47975

 

2.        Approve agenda [8:05 am PT]

 

3.        Approve minutes from previous meeting(s) [8:10 am PT]

1. Minutes from February 21, 2019 TC meeting: https://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/64748/Minutes%20of%202019-02-21%20Meeting%20%23248.docx  

 

4.        Review action items [Action item list: https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/odata/members/action_items.php?sort_field=due_closed_date] [8:15am PT]

1. Upcoming

                                  i.    #0037 Concept for Google Protocol Buffers as a data format – Hubert Heijkers – 2019-03-28

2. In progress

                                  i.    #0036 Register the OData- headers and preferences with IANA – Mark Biamonte – 2018-07-26

 

5.        Issues [8:20 am PT]

1. APPLIED

                                  i.    ODATA-1283 $search: ABNF comment is more restrictive than prose text

1. https://github.com/oasis-tcs/odata-abnf/pull/17/files

                                 ii.    ODATA-1273 Define mapping of permission scopes to resources

1. https://github.com/oasis-tcs/odata-vocabularies/pull/35/files

 

2. V4.01: NEW or OPEN

                                  i.    ODATA-1284 Allow referencing properties of "outer" entity in expressions nested within $expand

                                 ii.    ODATA-1282 How to set the mediaReadLink and mediaEditLink of a stream property

                                iii.    ODATA-1168 Clarify the use of ETags for Avoiding Update Conflicts

                                iv.    ODATA-1198 ETag handling deviations from RFC7232 are avoidable if we consider two kinds of ETag (ETag in response header and ETag in response payload)

                                 v.    ODATA-1260 Clarify read-write access via URLs differing from the canonical/read/edit URL

                                vi.    ODATA-1286 What is the meaning of year 0, and negative years

 

                               vii.    ODATA-1064 Add ability to annotate collections to return only count and NextLink

                              viii.    ODATA-1005 Make sure we have capabilities for all new 4.01 functionality

 

3. Data Aggregation: NEW or OPEN

                                  i.    ODATA-1218 Transformations for recursive hierarchy processing

                                 ii.    ODATA-945 Correct examples 53 and 54

 

4. Vocabularies: NEW or OPEN with concrete proposal

                                  i.    ODATA-1285 ODATA-1099 / Add ReadableByKey to ReadRestrictions

1. https://github.com/oasis-tcs/odata-vocabularies/pull/41/files

                                 ii.    ODATA-1264 CRUDQ descriptions on entity sets

1. https://github.com/oasis-tcs/odata-vocabularies/pull/40/files

 

5. Vocabularies: NEW or OPEN that need more discussion

                                  i.    ODATA-1275 Describing and querying "JSON properties"

                                 ii.    ODATA-1214 Annotate constructor actions

                                iii.    ODATA-1140 ODATA-884 / Add details to HTTPResponseCode term

                                iv.    ODATA-1107 Introduce instance annotation to specify which types an instance "implements"

                                 v.    ODATA-1060 Improve specification of element response requirements

                                vi.    ODATA-884 Enable enumerating the valid requests and responses for a particular resource.

 

6.        Next meetings [9:50 am PT]

1. Thursday March 07, 2019 during 8-10 am PST (17:00-19:00 CET)
2. Thursday March 14, 2019 during 8-10 am PST (17:00-19:00 CET)

                                  i.    George will not attend on March 14, need volunteer for minutes

 

7.        AOB and wrap up [9:55 am PT]

 

[2] References

• Chat room: http://webconf.soaphub.org/conf/room/odatatc
• Conference call & Screen sharing: https://lync.co.sap.com/meet/ralf.handl/Q4QB1098
• Conference call details: https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/odata/download.php/63673/latest/TC%20meeting%20dial-in%20details.htm

 

[3] Timeline

• https://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/64563/TC%20Timeline%202019-01-23.docx