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Subject: Re: [odf-adoption] RE: need confirmation on ODF Camp


Rob,

I agree with your proposal to focus on word processors for the first
round of an interoperability workshop.

To the list of applications I'd add:

* Textmaker from Softmaker
* Thoughtslinger
* Mobile Office from Odendahl SEPT-Solutions


Erwin



robert_weir@us.ibm.com wrote:
> 
> The point is that there is not a lot of interesting interop between a 
> word processor and a presentation graphics editor.  So we could have 
> people attending representing all application classes, but the 
> interoperability discussion will naturally break down into interop 
> within like product categories.  That is the 1st order work that needs 
> to happen.  
> 
> My main concern is that if we tried to do all product categories we 
> would not get critical mass of attendance in some of them to accomplish 
> much interoperability work.
> 
> -Rob
> 
> ___________________________
> 
> Rob Weir
> Software Architect
> Workplace, Portal and Collaboration Software
> IBM Software Group
> 
> email: robert_weir@us.ibm.com
> phone: 1-978-399-7122
> blog: http://www.robweir.com/blog/
> 
> 
> *Dieter Loeschky <Dieter.Loeschky@Sun.COM>*
> Sent by: Dieter.Loeschky@Sun.COM
> 
> 06/01/2007 11:20 AM
> 
> 	
> To
> 	robert_weir@us.ibm.com
> cc
> 	Louis Suarez-Potts <luispo@mac.com>, Dee Schur 
> <dee.schur@oasis-open.org>, "'Jane Harnad'" 
> <jane.harnad@oasis-open.org>, "'John McCreesh'" <jpmcc@openoffice.org>, 
> odf-adoption@lists.oasis-open.org, pim.vandereijk@oasis-open.org
> Subject
> 	Re: [odf-adoption] RE: need confirmation on ODF Camp
> 
> 
> 	
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Hi Rob,
> 
> I see your point but I would like to attract people from other areas
> too. I would love to see more ODF implementations, not only word
> processors or even Office applications.
> 
> Do we have enough other contacts via the adoption committee?
> 
> Regards,
> Dieter
> 
> -- 
> Sun Microsystems GmbH           Dieter Loeschky
> Nagelsweg 55                    Senior Manager Software Engineering
> 20097 Hamburg                   StarOffice / OpenOffice.org Development
> Germany                         Phone: +49(0)40 236 46 500
> http://www.sun.com              Dieter.Loeschky@sun.com
> 
> Sitz der Gesellschaft:
> Sun Microsystems GmbH, Sonnenallee 1, D-85551 Kirchheim-Heimstetten
> Amtsgericht Muenchen: HRB 161028
> Geschaeftsfuehrer: Marcel Schneider, Wolfgang Engels, Dr. Roland Boemer
> Vorsitzender des Aufsichtsrates: Martin Haering
> 
> 
> 
> robert_weir@us.ibm.com schrieb:
>  >
>  > Would it be worth focusing on a single application time for this first
>  > interoperability event?  Say, just word processors?  I think it would be
>  > difficult to ensure that we have enough people with sufficient expertise
>  > in all three applications from all vendors, and even if we could, any
>  > topic would be interesting to only 1/3 of the engineers.
>  >
>  > So, if we focused on just ODF word processors, we could invite:
>  >
>  > 1) OpenOffice on Linux, Mac and Windows (we would want to consider cross
>  > platform fidelity issues even with a single application, and OO is a
>  > good example for this)
>  > 2) IBM
>  > 3) KDE
>  > 4) Google Docs
>  > 5) AbiWord
>  > 6) CleverAge (for the Word Plugin) or maybe Novell handles this?
>  > 7) ZohoWriter?
>  > 8) Anyone else?
>  >
>  > -Rob
>  > ___________________________
>  >
>  > Rob Weir
>  > Software Architect
>  > Workplace, Portal and Collaboration Software
>  > IBM Software Group
>  >
>  > email: robert_weir@us.ibm.com
>  > phone: 1-978-399-7122
>  > blog: http://www.robweir.com/blog/
>  >
>  >
>  > *Louis Suarez-Potts <luispo@mac.com>*
>  >
>  > 06/01/2007 04:58 AM
>  >
>  >                  
>  > To
>  >                  Dee Schur <dee.schur@oasis-open.org>
>  > cc
>  >                  Dieter.Loeschky@Sun.COM, 
> odf-adoption@lists.oasis-open.org, "'John
>  > McCreesh'" <jpmcc@openoffice.org>, "'Jane Harnad'"
>  > <jane.harnad@oasis-open.org>, pim.vandereijk@oasis-open.org
>  > Subject
>  >                  Re: [odf-adoption] RE: need confirmation on ODF Camp
>  >
>  >
>  >                  
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > Hi,
>  >
>  > On 2007-05-30, at 16:16 , Dee Schur wrote:
>  >
>  >  > Hi Louis and Dieter,
>  >  > I think these are both great ideas but slightly different, which is  
>  >  > good.
>  >
>  > :-)
>  >
>  >  >
>  >  > Louis,
>  >  > I think your camp concept is terrific
>  >
>  > (not mine; Don came up with the idea, but it is good)
>  >
>  >
>  >  > and can easily be coordinated through
>  >  > the Adoption TC with you as a lead.
>  >
>  >
>  > I'd rather have Dieter lead the camp; Dieter and Rob, say, as the  
>  > camp must be technical and I'm not technically competent enough to  
>  > pose as lead, let alone lead.
>  >
>  >
>  >  > Since there will be no presentations, it
>  >  > seems to me that as long as you secure the space, you will be set.  
>  >  > OASIS can
>  >  > promote the 'ODF Camp' in the same manner we always do (posting to  
>  >  > event
>  >  > page, OASIS News, etc.) So, as soon as you have a written description
>  >  > inviting participants, we can move forward with various postings.
>  >
>  >
>  > Great, let's start inviting :-)
>  >
>  > Dieter, Rob (if you are here...):
>  >
>  > Let's coordinate on inviting candidates.  We can coordinate off this  
>  > list but why? I'd like to invite essentially all those implementing  
>  > ODF or wanting to.  I don't have contacts in all these companies.
>  >
>  > But I think we have to finalize the invitations by, say, end of next  
>  > week?
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >  >
>  >  > Dieter,
>  >  > I think your concept will take longer to execute properly, so we  
>  >  > might think
>  >  > about late in 2007 or 2008. During the last Adoption call we tossed  
>  >  > around
>  >  > the idea of a stand alone ODF event (one or two days), that can either
>  >  > co-locate with another conference or act as a stand alone that could
>  >  > possibly be hosted at a member facility in various locations. Once  
>  >  > you put
>  >  > this type of effort together it is easy to duplicate in different  
>  >  > locations.
>  >  > I would like each member to consider hosting such an event and/or  
>  >  > suggest an
>  >  > event/conference that would an appropriate venue for 'ODF Day(s).'  
>  >  > I think
>  >  > an Asian venue would be interesting, any thoughts? I would like to  
>  >  > see how
>  >  > much interest we have for this before we commit a lot of cycles. I  
>  >  > think it
>  >  > is a great idea, and ODF is gaining tremendous speed but I will  
>  >  > need the
>  >  > support of the Adoption TC.
>  >
>  >
>  > Dee, I think I resolved Dieter's points, and I think Dieter was  
>  > thinking of presentations in the context of OOoCon. Last year and  
>  > year before and year before that we had tracks on ODF; this year will  
>  > likely be no different. So, we can have ODF presentations throughout  
>  > the conference, without OASIS' specific intervention, though your  
>  > support would always be helpful.
>  >
>  > best,
>  > Louis
>  >  >
>  >  > Thanks so much!
>  >  > Dee
>  >  >
>  >  > -----Original Message-----
>  >  > From: Dieter.Loeschky@Sun.COM [mailto:Dieter.Loeschky@Sun.COM]
>  >  > Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 8:21 AM
>  >  > To: Louis Suarez-Potts
>  >  > Cc: Dee Schur; odf-adoption@lists.oasis-open.org; John McCreesh;  
>  >  > Jane Harnad
>  >  > Subject: Re: [odf-adoption] RE: need confirmation on ODF Camp
>  >  >
>  >  > Hi,
>  >  >
>  >  > I would love to see technical presentations (e.g. reports from the
>  >  > Metadata SC, Formula SC, ...) as well as status presentations (e.g.  
>  >  > ODF
>  >  > roadmap, ODF adoption, ...).
>  >  > Furthermore we should have workshops on ODF interoperability in ODF
>  >  > enabled applications (OOo, KOffice, ...) and ODF processing (server  
>  >  > and
>  >  > client side).
>  >  > Taking the ODF Toolkit project into account, I hope that we can  
>  >  > attract
>  >  > additional audience outside the classic OOo public.
>  >  >
>  >  > Regards,
>  >  > Dieter
>  >  >
>  >  > --
>  >  > Sun Microsystems GmbH           Dieter Loeschky
>  >  > Nagelsweg 55                    Senior Manager Software Engineering
>  >  > 20097 Hamburg                   StarOffice / OpenOffice.org  
>  >  > Development
>  >  > Germany                         Phone: +49(0)40 236 46 500
>  >  > http://www.sun.com              Dieter.Loeschky@sun.com
>  >  >
>  >  > Sitz der Gesellschaft:
>  >  > Sun Microsystems GmbH, Sonnenallee 1, D-85551 Kirchheim-Heimstetten
>  >  > Amtsgericht Muenchen: HRB 161028
>  >  > Geschaeftsfuehrer: Marcel Schneider, Wolfgang Engels, Dr. Roland  
>  >  > Boemer
>  >  > Vorsitzender des Aufsichtsrates: Martin Haering
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  > Louis Suarez-Potts schrieb:
>  >  >> Hi
>  >  >> On 2007-05-29, at 21:12 , Dee Schur wrote:
>  >  >>
>  >  >>> Hi Louis,
>  >  >>> We did discuss your email on the ODF Adoption call this morning  
>  >  >>> and I was
>  >  >>> hoping that you would have joined the call.
>  >  >>> It was mentioned that it may be difficult to keep attendees with  
>  >  >>> split
>  >  >>> session (19 and 21 of September) on ODF. I'm not certain that  
>  >  >>> this is a
>  >  >>> problem.
>  >  >>
>  >  >> Depends.
>  >  >>
>  >  >>
>  >  >>> In terms of the ODF camp, how many competing tracks will occur
>  >  >>> simultaneously? Is this a speaker/presentation format? If so, how  
>  >  >>> many
>  >  >>> speakers? Or is it an interactive learning event with tutorials and
>  >  >>> clinics?
>  >  >>> Is this a plug-fest? Who will select the presenters, are you on the
>  >  >>> programme committee?
>  >  >>
>  >  >> Camp: it's a workshop. No presentations except impromptu ones.  
>  >  >> Rather,
>  >  >> work on code.
>  >  >>
>  >  >>
>  >  >>> If we do a showcase/demo, I would like to approach the participating
>  >  >>> vendors
>  >  >>> about sponsorship after I understand the openoffice.org conference
>  >  >>> funding
>  >  >>> model.
>  >  >>
>  >  >>
>  >  >> Model: We ask for donations. See
>  >  >> http://marketing.openoffice.org/ooocon2007/sponsorship.html
>  >  >>
>  >  >>
>  >  >>> But OOoCon may not be in favor of vendors demoing their products?
>  >  >>
>  >  >> Indeed, we are not. We are in favour of vendors speaking about
>  >  >> experience about their experience with their products, esp. if they
>  >  >> concern OOo--are derived from it or in some way relate to it. Example
>  >  >> could be, KOffice speaking about heterogeneous environment,  
>  >  >> KOffice/OOo,
>  >  >> say.
>  >  >>
>  >  >>
>  >  >>> A
>  >  >>> traditional OASIS InterOp would require a scenario that solves a  
>  >  >>> business
>  >  >>> problem and solution, they are non-promotional in nature but members
>  >  >>> report
>  >  >>> that the InterOps drive business to their company. Of course,  
>  >  >>> open-source
>  >  >>> participation would also be encouraged. I also wanted to pursue the
>  >  >>> InterOp
>  >  >>> because we are trying to increase membership in the Adoption TC  
>  >  >>> and the
>  >  >>> possibility of participating in this event would encourage these
>  >  >>> potential
>  >  >>> new members to join the Adoption TC.
>  >  >>
>  >  >> OOo and ODF are not quite like regular OASIS formats, I think.
>  >  >>
>  >  >> The point of the camp is actually to improve interoperability  
>  >  >> among the
>  >  >> ODF implementations. But the presentations, given at OOoCon, must  
>  >  >> really
>  >  >> relate to OOo, as well as ODF.
>  >  >>
>  >  >>
>  >  >>> Do we have any idea of number and type of attendees? It is my
>  >  >>> understanding
>  >  >>> that this event is heavily attended by public sector folks or is it
>  >  >>> mostly
>  >  >>> developers?
>  >  >>
>  >  >> Both. In years past, numbers have trended up from 300-350.  I  
>  >  >> think this
>  >  >> year it will be more popular.
>  >  >>
>  >  >>> I have many more questions, maybe we should plan another call  
>  >  >>> since it
>  >  >>> sounds like you are under the gun.
>  >  >>
>  >  >> Quite. :-)
>  >  >>
>  >  >> But I'm in Moscow for the next couple of days, then back to London. I
>  >  >> can manage one via Skype or equiv., but I want to hear from  
>  >  >> Dieter, too.
>  >  >>
>  >  >>> Thanks!
>  >  >>> Dee
>  >  >>
>  >  >> best
>  >  >> louis
>  >  >>>
>  >  >>> -----Original Message-----
>  >  >>> From: Louis Suarez-Potts [mailto:luispo@mac.com]
>  >  >>> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 2:28 PM
>  >  >>> To: odf-adoption@lists.oasis-open.org
>  >  >>> Cc: John McCreesh; Dee Schur; Dieter Loeschky
>  >  >>> Subject: need confirmation on ODF Camp
>  >  >>>
>  >  >>> Hi
>  >  >>> A couple of days ago I sent a note to this list, cc'ing Dee Schur  
>  >  >>> and
>  >  >>> several others. [0].
>  >  >>>
>  >  >>> No response so far. That's unfortunate. We need to decide on the
>  >  >>> logistics of the event, and soon.
>  >  >>>
>  >  >>> Here is the idea:
>  >  >>>
>  >  >>> Wednesday have a 1/2 or even full day "camp" that would work on
>  >  >>> "normalizing" interoperability among ODF implementations.
>  >  >>>
>  >  >>> Options:
>  >  >>>
>  >  >>> ** It could run in parallel to the regular scheduled talks, as a  
>  >  >>> stream.
>  >  >>>
>  >  >>> Or,
>  >  >>>
>  >  >>> ** it would be one of the streams
>  >  >>>
>  >  >>> The latter option would necessary crowd out other papers.
>  >  >>>
>  >  >>>
>  >  >>> Opinions?
>  >  >>>
>  >  >>>   My own preference would be to have a parallel track.
>  >  >>>
>  >  >>>
>  >  >>> Please respond as soon as you can.
>  >  >>>
>  >  >>> best
>  >  >>> Louis
>  >  >>>
>  >  >>>
>  >  >>>
>  >  >>>
>  >  >>
>  >  >
>  >
>  >
> 




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