Re: [odf-adoption] ODF and UOF

[Peter Junge <peterjunge@RedOffice.com>]

robert_weir@us.ibm.com wrote:

[...]

>>> But I think we're heading on the right path here.  For example, Peter
>>> Junge has contributed a proposal to the ODF TC regarding diagonal 
>>> table
>>> headers, a key requirement for Chinese documents.
>> Right. Would this be difficult to implement in an application 
>> supporting ODF? Ie, to generate the right content? And would this then 
>> also affect output and thus compatibility with, for instance, MSFT 
>> Office 2003 and beyond? In short, if we are looking for a solution to 
>> compatibility not only with UOF but more generally with ideographic 
>> scripts, then what's the simplest path, and would it be in addition to 
>> adding elements (but not monstrous ones) to ODF?
>>
> 
> That is a discussion we need to have.  Diagonal table headers also have 
> some accessibility ramifications, since the navigation/tabbing order needs 
> to be defined.

I still have to find time to resume work on it. I want the feature to be
as equal as possible to normal table cells, so we can mostly reuse
existing functionality, especially regarding data model and accessibility.

> 
> In general, if we have this as an ODF-Next theme, then I'd probably 
> recommend creating a subcommittee (in the ODF TC) to analyze the existing 
> standard and recommend a list of enhancements in this area, similar to 
> what we did with accessibility.

This is really considerable.

[...]

Best regards,
Peter



>>> Louis.Suarez-Potts@Sun.COM wrote on 07/07/2009 10:44:53 AM:
>>>
>>>> I was just in China and discussed ODF and UOF harmonization as well 
>>>> as
>>>> improved support for and implementation of UOF by OOo. At present, 
>>>> OOo
>>>> supports it and since 3.x can save in UOF but evidently only
>>>> imperfectly. The idea would be to improve this, in particular for
>>>> ideographical scripts.
>>>> UOF, of course, is the government-mandated format for its documents.
>>>>
>>>> So, this raises the set of questions below:
>>>>
>>>> * Status of UOF as a specification?
>>>>
>>>>   From conversations with the RedOffice team and with Peter in
>>>> particular, UOF seems to be charging ahead and reaching 2.0. However,
>>>> there seems to be little movement to relocate it to Oasis or to drive
>>>> it to ISO standardization. Neither would directly enhance
>>>> interoperability with ODF but either would likely raise the
>>>> consciousness of the format among stakeholders.
>>>>
>>>> * Status of ODF UOF harmonization?
>>>>
>>>>   And, how desirable is this? At our meetings, we discussed the
>>>> possibility of effectively merging the specifications, so that the
>>>> elements missing in ODF but present in UOF and vice versa would be
>>>> completed. Problem is, the basic layout of the page differs from
>>>> format to format, so a simple cut and paste effort is not likely. My
>>>> guess is that a native-code (C++) conversion might be required for 
>>>> this.
>>>>
>>>> This effort might also have some other consequences, as it seems as 
>>>> if
>>>> UOF is closer in its formatting logic to OOXML than ODF is. Thus,
>>>> compatibility with OOXML might be--I have not checked this--improved
>>>> by this work, providing it's reasonable.
>>>>
>>>> * Logistics of any related work?
>>>>
>>>>   That is, do we (stakeholders) have a good sense of how much work
>>>> would be required to produce results that satisfy demanding 
>>>> enterprise
>>>> users of UOF so that they are happy (or reasonable facsimile thereof)
>>>> when they use OOo or its derivatives?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>> louis
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://www.robweir.com/blog/labels/UOF.html
>>>>
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