Re: [office-accessibility] Minutes 060406

Agenda

Item. Roll Call

Item. Approval of Minutes of Previous (3/30) Meeting

Item. Old business: - Presentation sub/sub team meeting Friday - Time resolution

Item. -- alt texts, short/long/caption

Item. - How is the Name attribute used? - Malte Timmerman. - Discuss Peter's proposal:

Item. - What are the appropriate name mapping rules by user agents?

Item. - Do we use name for a user name field?

Item. - Should we allow captions on primitives?

Item. - Limit <svg:desc> to groupings?

Item. - Disposition of described By for ATVs?

Item. IV. New business: -- Face to Face May 25/26 at RNIB (Edinburgh or Peterborough)

Item. -- Soft/hard page break issue from Dave P

Item. -- Nested list markup issue from Dave P

Item. V. Deferred for post-June (keeping on agenda as placeholder): -- Mediaobject proposal from Dave P

Item. VI. Deferred until Nathaniel returns Table/SVG resolution in TC

Item. VII. Agenda/Topics for Next Meeting

1 Roll Call. Approval of previous minutes.

DISCUSSION: RS: Minutes accepted.

2 Friday subteam meeting. - Time resolution

DISCUSSION: Time set to 1300Z, 90 minutes duration. Agenda posted to list.

3 IRC

DISCUSSION: IRC was tried for the first time.

DISCUSSION: Details. url is http://irc.oasis-open.org/ Channel &office-accessibility (note the ampersand, not hash) ports: 6667 (default) and 6669.

4 alt texts, short/long/caption

DISCUSSION: MT. name attribute is not used elsewhere. Without AT, there is no automatic naming. Hence name attribute is available for our use

RS. Names were assigned when I created the application?
PK. The new code base has no names assigned unless named by user. Seems different in 2.0 and 2.02 from 1.0. Drawing tool different is from presentation tool. Control shift F5 in one, F5 in another.
RS. I have many items named? Running 2.0. If I name it, it overwrites the default value. (Ednote. Appears that Rich experienced different results from others. Unresolved as to why)
PK. Not making sense. Not happening for MT, PK. Not named in exported content.xml file. Conclusion, not needed, so we can use it.
RS. Can we use name for grouped objects too? Hence there is no need for svg:title?
JS. If builds diverge in what they provide, we need to know.
RS. This should happen if AT turned on or not. We want to use name instead of adding svg:title.
PK. Also do we only need longdesc on groups?
MT. Why not on elements? I think it is wanted.
RS. Group want svg:desc on all objects. Used as longdesc. Name now can be now be used as short description, all agree?
Unanimous.
RS. Re caption.
PK. Proposal is. From Gnome, if name is blank and caption has content, caption content given to AT. If object has a name value, name value is given. We don't persist information which is not there. Gnome on screen keyboard could be built from objects in a slide.
RS. Accepted. We can no send a proposal to TC. Notation in specification, name will be used for accessibility, adding description and described by for non-text objects.
PK. Does this go to the errata? Name only contains a value if explicitly set by user. We don't want UA to persist data not set by author.
PK. If there are meaningless names, AT will ignore them. AT needs to be able to distinguish meaningful names from others.
PK. Want to know what object is and where it is. Also meaningful is tab order and position.
CA. We should define criteria when we need a name.
RS. Should draw name be optional?
PK. Alt text would be svg:text or description. No alt text if nothing available. Currently nothing shows up if it is not named. E.g. 4th obj, a rectangle, at coord X,Y. List position from XML document model. All are derived. Provide to user if wanted. User can get more information if needed (via AT).
JS. List position is useful for shared information.
PK. What does the blind user want to know? I suggest they want to know what the thing is (e.g. a "rectangle"), which of how many it is (e.g. "drawing object 4 of 7, rectangle 1 of 3"), and where it is (e.g. inside bounding box at [(3,4), (12,15)].
DP. I like it.
Proposal accepted

Action item: Refine proposal, post to list?

Who? PK

Due date: For next week.

Action item: Send proposal to TC post review.

Who? NB.

Due date: AFter group review (send comments to list).

5 Face to Face meeting May 25, 26, UK (Edinburgh or Peterborough)

DISCUSSION:

Discussion of available dates. Eventually settled on 20 and 21 May as best compromise.
Also considered meeting alongside Oasis symposium, May 9-12.
MT. What reason for meeting?
RS. We get a lot from them, help to meet June date. E.g. CSUN meeting. I have May meetings. WAI in DC. Gets harder earlier.
RS.

Action item: Check room availability, catering, for 20,21st.

Who? DP

Due date: ASAP

Action item: Provide availability for those dates, to list.

Who? All

Due date: Before next week

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