[Fwd: meeting minutes ODF AccSC call - July 20, 2006]

[Peter Korn <Peter.Korn@Sun.COM>]

FYI - meeting notes/minutes from Pete Brunet (thanks Pete).

Rich - I don't expect to attend the meeting next week.  May I suggest 
that you put on the agenda approving both these meeting minutes, as well 
as those from last week (July 13th)?


Peter

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• From: Pete Brunet <brunet@us.ibm.com>
• To: Peter.Korn@Sun.COM
• Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 11:15:50 -0500

Peter, Please clean up as you see fit...

Attendees:  Peter Korn, Hiro, Tatsuya-san, Malte, David Clark, Pete Brunet, Steve Nobel, Dave Pawson

• Peter send out ODF 1.1 draft 6 superseded by TC draft 1, Appendix E page 708-709
• AccSC has been creating an implementation guidelines appendix
• Hiro would like Appendix E moved out of ODF Appendix and into our AccSC implementation guideline
• Peter sees 3 options

1. leave Appendix E as is,add comment at beginning or end directing to additional AGs
2. strip out Appendix E, direct people to a web page
3. delay and try to get entire doc into appendix

• Peter prefers option 1 or 2, and 1 over 2
• Hiro would like separate doc to make it easier for i18n effort
• DC: suggests we should not consider option C from Brauer, i.e. to delay process, Peter agrees
• Peter is attending Monday TC meetings
• PK: E1 and E3 is very important (and E2), leave it there, add pointer (using nice URL) to more info
  • http://oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/office/guidelines
  • TC is leaving it up to AccSC, we don't want them to delay
  • PK: Formal proposal - Go with option 1, leave existing instructions in appendix E, but add mention of more info at a URL
    • unanimous approval
    • PK: Please review the current TC committee draft 1, there is new material to review
      • http://oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/office/download.php/19207/OpenDocument-v1.1-cd1.odt
      • PK: Please review our guidelines
      • PK: comments on section 3?
      • Hiro: alt text item has suggested UI, this is for the design of the app itself, not for the author of the app
      • PK: We should mention that the tool should provide for the features we are requesting of author
      • DC: In AG should cover case where alt text is not needed
      • Hiro: This doc is not a compliance doc, it's a guideline for authors (and the editors)
      • PK: Use of existing 508 for guidance is a problem, it's changing (and it's US centric) - we should you our own expertise
      • Hiro: regarding P1 - P3 priorities, we don't have much experience with docs, how do we make decision about what priority to assign
      • PK: IBM and Sun need a guideline to help engineers know what to do
      • DC: Objects to priorities - wcag priorities are blind centric at detriment to other disabilities
      • DC: Bobbi project (the first web acc. test tool), people were looking at overall Bobbi approval rather than breaking it down into separate issues.
      • DC: When you put priorities on it - you end up in case of something being pass/fail
      • DC: Doesn't like things being judged as pass/fail
      • DC: Bobbi is a tool to get pass/fail - but the page might not really be accessible
      • DC: pass fail of what?  are we scoring the right things, e.g. grammar checked - if you pass P1 does that mean you are OK if you pass P1-P3 are you great - it just means you passed but it doesn't mean the grammar is any good - there are no metrics on usability or understandability
      • PK: a machine can't do this
      • SN: policy makers want a checkoff via specs and standards
      • PK: guidelines are OK but meeting guidelines doesn't mean you are acc but failing them is a problem - necessary but no sufficient
      • PK: other comments on sec 3
      • All: none
      • PK: section 4?
      • Hiro: We need to also talk about export issues
      • PK: will change to include export
      • PK: section 5?
      • All: none
      • PK: section 6 - glossary
      • DP: submitted some extra definitions
      • DP: need clarification that focus indicator is applicable to the user's unique disability, e.g. not blind centric
      • PK: need to assign pieces for writing
      
      Pete Brunet
                                                                               
      IBM Accessibility Architecture and Development
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