Fw: [office-accessibility] Agenda ODF Accessibility Subteam meeting

[Richard Schwerdtfeger <schwer@us.ibm.com>]

Hi Peter,

Attached is a revision. I updated section
4 in response to Mak's comments and adjusted the change log for that section
accordingly. I also edited section updated section 1.2.2.3 and 1.2.2.4
to reflect Dave Pawson's edits and my comments regarding Mak's changes.
I have not addressed SuAnn and Becky's comments.  We will need to
renumber all the figures when we are done. We don't have a consistent numbering
scheme and consequently I have a Figure X for a figure in my section.

I have 

Rich

Rich Schwerdtfeger
Distinguished Engineer, SWG Accessibility Architect/Strategist
Chair, IBM Accessibility Architecture Review  Board
blog: http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/blogs/page/schwer
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Richard Schwerdtfeger/Austin/IBM@IBMUS

12/13/2006 05:31 PM

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Subject	[office-accessibility] Agenda ODF Accessibility Subteam meeting

Greetings,

I believe that everyone in the U.S. and Western Europe went through a 
time change this past weekend - all an hour later than before - making
the subject line times accurate.

Connection info:

Thursday 9Nov; 8am PT / 11am ET / 4pm GMT / 5pm CET

Toll-free dial-in: 1-877-421-0019
Toll/International dial-in: 1-770-615-1380
Tie-line dial-in: 421-0019
Participant passcode: 710374

IRC: http://irc.oasis-open.org
channel: "&office-accessibility"


I would like to propose for our agenda:

1. Roll call

2. Approval of Minutes November 9 meeting (attached).

3. IBM and FSG Announce of IAccessible2 
   http://www.freestandards.org/en/Accessibility/IAccessible2

3. ODF Accessibility Guidelines Work assingments
   Comments from Mak (attached), Becky Gibsion and SuAnn Nichols (attached),
   Comments from Rich, Dave Pawson, and Dave Clark below
   
4. Daisy Implementation Status (Yes these are
old) - Dave Pawson

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Rich's comments

Some comments on Mak's comments.

I believe the wording Mak suggests is a good idea in order to address a
broader audience.

Section 1.2.2.3 - It is a caret and not a cursor. On most systems the cursor
is the mouse pointer.

Section 1.2.2.4 - 

People with minor physical impairments have a variety of issues that prevent
them from using the full keyboard or mouse easily. In order to support
such users, complete ODF application usage and document manipulation should
be possible ?? user
friendly ?? without using the
mouse. 

Suggested rewording to reflect WCAG 2.0: 

People with minor physical impairments have a variety of issues that prevent
them from using the full keyboard or mouse easily.
In order to support such users, all functionality
of the content is operable in a non-time-dependent manner through a keyboard
interface, except where the task requires analog,
time-dependent input. 


Section 1.2.2.5

Suggest rewording: Advanced
on-screen keyboard software can actually extract the menu structure
of the ODF application, the toolbar elements, and even the 'manipulable
user?? user friendly??
interface elements' and place them on the software “keyboard” where the
user can choose them.

To: Advanced on-screen keyboard
software can actually provide remote access to accessible menus, toolbar
elements, and other UI componentry on the software “keyboard” where the
user can choose them.

I don't understand what Mak means by ??
“randomly” can be an appropriate word??

Section 1.2.2.6

Here is a reference for ASR: http://www.netac.rit.edu/publication/asr.html

Section 2.1

Common keystrokes Windows XP: http://www.rnib.org.uk/xpedio/groups/public/documents/PublicWebsite/public_rnib003585.hcsp
common keystrokes Macintosh: http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=75459

There should be one on the Gnome site - Can't find it.

Section 2.3 

Ineroperaability is a commonly used term. 

Author of this section should fill in the API piece.

This bug showed up again in open office 3.2.5
A few examples


Section 4.2.2 

Figure X Visual Rendering of an ODF list

Section 4.2.3

The standard landmark of contentinfo - Do not accept
Mak's deletion of info as it is incorrect.

Section 4.2.4

Addressing Mak's comment about meta data. No additional meta data is required
as the element presentation:notes
constitutes the landmark

Mak introduces a Section 5.3.x but there is not section 5.3

5.3.1 Soft Page Breaks and Hard Page Numbering

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Dave Pawson Comment

>  Section 1.2.2.4 -
>
>  People with minor physical impairments have a variety of issues that prevent them from using the full keyboard or mouse easily. In order to support such users, complete ODF application usage and document manipulation should be possible ?? user friendly ?? without using the mouse.
>
>  Suggested rewording to reflect WCAG 2.0:
>
>  People with minor physical impairments have a variety of issues that prevent them from using the full keyboard or mouse easily. In order to support such users, all functionality of the content is operable in a non-time-dependent manner through a keyboard interface, except where the task requires analog, time-dependent input.

dp. This isn't good English Rich? Content doesn't have functionality,
applications do?

How about

People with minor physical impairments have a variety of issues that
prevent them from using the full keyboard and or mouse easily. In
order to support such users, all the functionality of the application
should be operable in a non-time-dependent manner through a keyboard
interface, except where the task requires analog, time-dependent
input.


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Dave Clark Comments

After reading the first 10-15 pages of Mak's edits, it occurs to me
that our glossary needs some more basic concepts that we al take for
granted, like:
caption vs subtitles -- never occurred to me that these may be
conflated by some.
caret/cursor/insertion point
compatibility vs interoperability

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Rich Schwerdtfeger
Distinguished Engineer, SWG Accessibility Architect/Strategist
Chair, IBM Accessibility Architecture Review Board
blog: http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/blogs/page/schwer

Title: OASIS ODF Accessibility SC Meeting

OASIS ODF Accessibility SC Meeting

Date: 2006-11-09T15:55:09.0Z
Time: 1600Z
Venue: Telcon
Date: 2006-11-09T15:55:14.0Z

Version: 1

Attendees

• Dave Pawson
• Steve Noble
• Rich Schwerdtfeger - chair
• Janina Sajka
• Hironobu Takagi
• Chieko Asakawa
• Tatsuya Ishihara

Apologies

• Malte Timmerman
• Pete Brunet
• Pete Brunet
• Tatsuya Ishihara
• Chieko Asakawa
• Peter Korn - chair
• David Clark
• Mike Paciello

Scribe(s): Dave Pawson

Agenda

Item. Roll Call

Item. Review & approve previous minutes

Item. Outstanding actions

Item. Guidelines document: what remains before we post it, give it to our volunteer editor?

Item. RNIB conversion of ODF 1.1 to DAISY

1  Roll Call

DISCUSSION: Review & approve previous minutes.

• CA. Request to move time earlier. Day OK, but time is 1 a.m. in Japan.
• RS. Will try to move it earlier. PK is West Coast. Would be 7 a.m.
• Outstanding actions
• Last weeks minutes. Remove RS from attendees. Amend comment on variables, DP. Otherwise accepted. Hiro attended twice.
• Agreed SN, Second JS

Action item: Seek earlier time on list

Who? RS

Due date: Next week.

2  Daisy Conversion status

DISCUSSION: RS. IBM have submitted certification.

• RNIB have also submitted statement.
• RS. Do you have the Lotus beta? DP - no.

3  User variables on disk

DISCUSSION: DP. Explained the iteroperability issues.

• RS. Now clear.

The Oasis irc server is irc.oasis-open.org, channel &office-accessibility

Summary of Actions

RS

Action item: Seek earlier time on list

Due date: Next week.

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ODF_Accessibility_Guidelines_mak_rev_30 Nov_06.odt

ODF GL Feedback.odt

ODF_Accessibility_Guidelines_mak_rev_30 Nov_06.odt