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Subject: Re: [office-accessibility] OASIS ODF Accessibility meeting,Monday June 2nd, 7am PT / 9am CT / 10am ET / 4pm CET / 11pm Japan time


Damn - almost missed it because I am just busy with some bug fixes ;)

And my XChat also doesn't work anymore since switching to 64 bit Windows :(

Can someone please send me the phone details?

Malte.

Peter Korn wrote, On 02.06.08 07:38:
> Dear colleagues,
> 
> As agreed at our last meeting, our next meeting is set for tomorrow - 
> Monday June 2nd, at 7am PT / 9am CT / 10am ET / 4pm CET / 11pm Japan 
> time. Please use our usual (and unpublished) dial-in, and our usual IRC 
> channel: &office-accessibility and irc.oasis-open.org
> 
> Attached, and at 
> http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/office-accessibility/200805/msg00023.html 
> please find the minutes from our last meeting, on Friday May 23rd.
> 
> I believe we have a short agenda for this meeting - mostly a question as 
> to whether recent information provided by TC members mean we have enough 
> to begin our review, and a walk-through of the open action items (which 
> overwhelmingly belong to Rich!).
> 
> 
> Agenda
> --------
> 0. Approval of the minutes (see attached and URL above)
> 
> 1. Is the ODF v1.2 draft ready for our review? Note that Michael Brauer 
> recently posted the v7 schemas, and Patrick Durusau just today posted 
> ODF v1.2 v7-03-0531.
> - See: v7-02 at: 
> http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/28121/OpenDocument-v1.2-v7-02.odt
> - See Patrick's v7-03-0531 message: 
> http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/office/200806/msg00000.html
> - See Michael's v7 schemas message: 
> http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/office/200805/msg00129.html &
> - See Michael's message on schemas: 
> http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/office/200805/msg00134.html
> 
> 2. Action items (from before)
> a. Janina to modify the accessibility guidelines to state how common 
> field attributes (section 6.7 of the ODF 1.2 spec.) should be supplied 
> to the AT. The field attributes would indicate whether something were a 
> boolean, gregorian date, etc.
> 
> b. Peter Korn to: provide provide guidelines as to how to provide 
> tracking information to ATs; and modify guidelines to ensure 
> applications respond to system font and color settings.
> 
> c. Rich Schwerdtfeger to: add wording to the next revision of the 
> accessibility guidelines to allow control of the animation rate of 
> images in a presentation
> 
> d. Hiro to provide wording in the to address dynamic, asynchronous 
> updates There are several topics in the specs related to “asynchronous 
> automatic update� of contents or values. Automatic updates should be 
> carefully presented to assistive technologies through accessibility 
> APIs. Documents are becoming more dynamic- async updates - some 
> examples: linked tables, database ranges, scritping, text sections, DDE 
> connections.
> 
> f. Rich Schwerdtfeger to answer questions: How does ODF do language 
> tagging of a range of text? Font attributes? And how best to tag a 
> string as "Grade 2 English Braille", vs. "music Braille in German".
> [From Tatsuya: look at ODF v1.1 spec. 15.4.23 Language; Use the 
> fo:language, fo:language-asian and fo:language-complex properties to 
> specify the language of the text. See §7.9.2 of [XSL] for details. Some 
> applications ignore these properties if they are not specified together 
> with the corresponding fo:country property.]
> 
> g. Rich Schwerdtfeger: Find deadlines for ODF 1.2; also to verify 
> whether TC would like to see our 1.2 guidelines doc delivered at same 
> time (in same "bundle") as 1.2 spec.
> 
> h. Rich Schwerdtfeger: address question/ research on Accessibility of 
> Animations
> - Animations that are defined and controlled by ODF (eg. Fly right, fly 
> left)
> - Embedded content that contains animations
> 
> i. Rich Schwerdtfeger: Research Tasks
> - Plugins that support captions
> - OS Matrix on Descriptive Video
> 
> j. Rich Schwerdtfeger: Modify Hiro's proposal to put into merge 
> document. Notes from previous meeting:
> Hiro - Write proposed modification to 8.1.1 to add caption-id for table, 
> and 9.2.15.2 to include tables - <ref 
> name="common-draw-caption-id-attlist"/> [note that Hiro is providing 
> more information related to table headers (from 
> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/office-accessibility/email/archives/200711/msg00007.html)
> 
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Peter Korn
> Accessibility Architect,
> Sun Microsystems, Inc.
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Subject:
> [office-accessibility] OASIS ODF accessibility meeting minutes - 23May08
> From:
> Peter Korn <Peter.Korn@sun.com>
> Date:
> Thu, 29 May 2008 17:35:04 -0700
> To:
> office-accessibility@lists.oasis-open.org
> 
> To:
> office-accessibility@lists.oasis-open.org
> 
> 
> Dear colleagues,
> 
> Here are the minutes I took from our OASIS ODF accessibility meeting on
> 23May08. 
> 
> Please note that our next meeting is set for this coming Monday June
> 2nd, at 7am PT / 9am CT / 10am ET / 4pm CET / 11pm Japan time.  Rich - I
> believe the deal was I'd wake up early for these meetings, and you'd be
> responsible for being coherent and running them!
> 
> 
> Attendees
> ---------
> Tatsuya
> Janina
> Pete Brunet
> Peter Korn
> Rich
> Hiro
> 
> Agenda
> --------
>  0. Approval of the minutes
>   - I am not finding our previous minutes.  Only two messages from Mike
> Paciello, at:
> http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/office-accessibility/200805/msg00001.html
> and
> http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/office-accessibility/200805/msg00005.html
>   * Unanimous consent to minutes sent by Mike Paciello at
> http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/office-accessibility/200805/msg00022.html
> 
>  1. Confirm with IBM Japan, all, that this as our most-of-the-time new
> meeting time
>    * Tatsuya requests on behalf of the rest of IBM Japan that we start
> one hour earlier: at 11:00am PT /
>    * Confirmations from Janina, Peter, Pete, Rich, Tatsuya, and Hiro
> that 7am PT / 9am CT / 10am ET / 11pm Japan works for them - except the
> 2nd Monday of every month for Rich is a conflict
>    * Action: get confirmation from others
> 
>  2. Conform with IBM Japan, all, which week of the month (and perhaps
> day of the week) we will use an alternate time, and exactly what that
> time is
>    * IBM Japan reports that, so long as we are meeting one hour earlier
> (at 11pm their time), we don't need to meet at a better time for Japan
> one week a month.
> 
>  3. Status of the vote for making our ODF Guidelines document a formal
> Committee Specification (see the vote at:
> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/office/ballot.php?id=1459)
>   * Report of vote: 11 ayes, no nays; we are a committee specification
>   * See:
> http://docs.oasis-open.org/office/office-accessibility/v1.0/cs01/ODF_Accessibility_Guidelines-v1.0.pdf
> and
> http://docs.oasis-open.org/office/office-accessibility/v1.0/cs01/ODF_Accessibility_Guidelines-v1.0.odt
> and
> http://docs.oasis-open.org/office/office-accessibility/v1.0/cs01/ODF_Accessibility_Guidelines-v1.0.html
> 
>  4. ODF v1.2 draft
>   -Latest: v7-02:
> http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/28121/OpenDocument-v1.2-v7-02.odt
>   - We have two concerns as stated by Pete Brunet about tables - see:
> http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/office-accessibility/200805/msg00017.html
>   - We had the plan from our last meeting (April 28) to assign sections
> of this specification for review, but are missing that report from the
> minutes.  In the absence of that info, we will need to regenerate it
>    * Rich: this specification seems not quite ready for review -> the
> schema isn't in sync with the rest of the document (Michael Brauer had
> suggested we provide schema changes).
>    * AI for Rich: to work with the TC to determine when we will have a
> draft that is ready for our review
> 
>  5. ODF Accessibility Guidelines v1.1 for ODF v1.2
>   - Seeking a new owner/maintainer for the document (instead of me)...
>     * No volunteers; Peter remains stuck with it
> 
>   - Summary of planned additions/changes:
>    a. Janina's new section 2.6, 2.6.1, and 2.6.2;
>       also add guidelines to address reload delay section 3.13.2 which
> would allow user agents to control the reload delay, as per
> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/office-accessibility/email/archives/200804/msg00034.html
>    * "3.13.2" is a red herring.  Janina's new 2.6 is what was sought,
> and is done.
>      Janina to modify the accessibility guidelines to state how common
> field attributes (section 6.7 of the ODF 1.2 spec.) should be supplied
> to the AT. The field attributes would indicate whether something were a
> boolean, gregorian date, etc.
>    * This remains an open AI for Janina
> 
>    b. Peter Korn to: provide provide guidelines as to how to provide
> tracking information to ATs; and modify guidelines to ensure
> applications respond to system font and color settings.
>    * This remains an open AI for Peter
> 
>    c.  Rich Schwerdtfeger to: add wording to the next revision of the
> accessibility guidelines to allow control of the animation rate of
> images in a presentation
>    * This remains an open AI for Rich
> 
>    d. Hiro to provide wording in the to address dynamic, asynchronous
> updates There are several topics in the specs related to “asynchronous
> automatic update� of contents or values. Automatic updates should be
> carefully presented to assistive technologies through accessibility
> APIs. Documents are becoming more dynamic- async updates - some
> examples: linked tables, database ranges, scritping, text sections, DDE
> connections.
>    * This remains an open AI for Hiro; will check this also against the
> latest ODF v1.2 spec.
> 
> 
>  6. Previous action items:
>  * Peter actions:
>     - Check to see if this is a bug in OpenOffice: Address David's
> concern that headings were made available in an easy to discern way. ...
> H2s followed by H1s etc. He obtained that structure from an additional
> file. Came back in an OOo update, and that information was no longer
> available.  Was Dave relying on optional attributes that are no longer
> there, or did OOo break the spec.?
>   -> Not a spec. issue, and if a bug, it appears fixed.  See Section 4.1
> of the ODF v1.1 spec.  The element is <text:h>, and the heading level is
> indicated by the attribute "text:outline-level" which is set to equal
> the heading level (e.g. "1", "2").
> 
> * Rich actions:
>     -  How does ODF do language tagging of a range of text?  Font
> attributes?  And how best to tag a string as "Grade 2 English Braille",
> vs. "music Braille in German".
>   * This remains an open AI for Rich
>  [From Tatsuya: look at ODF v1.1 spec. 15.4.23 Language; Use the
> fo:language, fo:language-asian and fo:language-complex properties to
> specify the language of the text. See §7.9.2 of [XSL] for details. Some
> applications ignore these properties if they are not specified together
> with the corresponding fo:country property.]
> 
>     - Find deadlines for ODF 1.2; also to verify whether TC would like
> to see our 1.2 guidelines doc delivered at same time (in same "bundle")
> as 1.2 spec.
>   * This remains an open AI for Rich
> 
>     - Accessibility of Animations
>        - Animations that are defined and controlled by ODF (eg. Fly
> right, fly left)
>        - Embedded content that contains animations
>   * This remains an open AI for Rich
>     - Research Tasks
>        - Plugins that support captions
>        - OS Matrix on Descriptive Video
>   * This remains an open AI for Rich
> 
>     - Modify Hiro's proposal to put into merge document. Notes from
> previous meeting:
> Hiro - Write proposed modification to 8.1.1 to add caption-id for table,
> and 9.2.15.2 to include tables - <ref
> name="common-draw-caption-id-attlist"/>   [note that Hiro is providing
> more information related to table headers (from
> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/office-accessibility/email/archives/200711/msg00007.html)
>   * This remains an open AI for Rich
>  
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Peter Korn
> Accessibility Architect,
> Sun Microsystems, Inc.
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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