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Subject: Re: Fw: [office-accessibility] OASIS ODF Accessibility meeting, Monday June2nd, 7am PT / 9am CT / 10am ET / 4pm CET / 11pm Japan time
- From: Richard Schwerdtfeger <schwer@us.ibm.com>
- To: Hironobu Takagi <TAKAGIH@jp.ibm.com>
- Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 10:26:56 -0600
Since I am adding content to the guidelines for animated content I feel dyamic updates and automatic refreshes (Janina's stuff) and animated content all fall under the same area of the guidelines so I am integrating the lot, I hope to have a first draft of this for Monday to discuss.
Rich Schwerdtfeger
Distinguished Engineer, SWG Accessibility Architect/Strategist
Chair, IBM Accessibility Architecture Review Board
blog: http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/blogs/page/schwer
Hironobu Takagi <TAKAGIH@jp.ibm.com>
Hironobu Takagi <TAKAGIH@jp.ibm.com>
06/02/2008 08:53 AM
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I will forward our recommendation for the dynamic update topic.
Talk to you later.
Hiro
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Hironobu Takagi, PhD.
Accessibility Research
Tokyo Research Laboratory, IBM Research
+81-46-215-4557
E-mail: takagih@jp.ibm.com
----- Forwarded by Hironobu Takagi/Japan/IBM on 2008/06/02 23:39 -----
To:
Hironobu Takagi/Japan/IBM@IBMJP
cc:
Subject:
Re: [office-accessibility] OASIS ODF Accessibility
meeting, Monday June 2nd, 7am PT / 9am CT / 10am ET /
4pm CET / 11pm Japan time (Document link: ?)
From:
Tatsuya Ishihara/Japan/IBM - Monday, June 2, 2008, 22:47
Hi Hiro,
Could you forward this mail to ODF mailing list?
Attached below is proposal for work item (d) of today's agenda.
Referred chapter numbers are from latest ODF 1.2 spec.
http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/office/download.php/28458/OpenDocument-v1.2-v7-03-0531.odt
>d. Hiro to provide wording in the to address dynamic, asynchronous
>updates There are several topics in the specs related to â??asynchronous
>automatic updateâ?? of contents or values. Automatic updates should be
>carefully presented to assistive technologies through accessibility
>APIs. Documents are becoming more dynamic- async updates - some
>examples: linked tables, database ranges, scritping, text sections, DDE
>connections.
3.4 Special considerations for dynamic ODF contents
Some types of assistive technologies, such as screen readers, usually
present only focused part of a document.
That is why updates to other parts of the document will not be presented to
users with assistive technologies.
Therefore, if the content is automatically updated in any way, automatic
updates should be carefully presented to assistive technologies through
accessibility APIs.
Each accessibility API defines "event" mechanism to notify changes to
assistive technologies. It is recommended to appropriately implement those
events in each office editor and viewer.
The following functions create dynamic ODF contents.
automatic refresh
- 18.975 table:reflesh-delay
scripting
- 6.7.6 <text:script>
referring external sources
- 4.5 <text:section>
- 6.6 Database Fields
- 6.7.9 <text:dde-connection>
- 8.4.2 <table:table-source>
- 8.5.1 <table:cell-range-source>
- 8.11 <table:dde-links> (spreadsheet)
- 9.4.5 Objects (ODF document or ole objects)
- 9.4.7 Plugins
- 11 Database Front-end Document Content
- 13.6 DDE Connections
Best regards.
Tatsuya
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Tatsuya Ishihara
IBM Tokyo Research Laboratory (Mail Code: LAB-S77)
E-mail : tisihara@jp.ibm.com
Tel: +81-46(215)4978 Fax: +81-46(274)4282
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Dear colleagues,
As agreed at our last meeting, our next meeting is set for tomorrow -
Monday June 2nd, at 7am PT / 9am CT / 10am ET / 4pm CET / 11pm Japan
time. Please use our usual (and unpublished) dial-in, and our usual IRC
channel: &office-accessibility and irc.oasis-open.org
Attached, and at
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/office-accessibility/200805/msg00023.html
please find the minutes from our last meeting, on Friday May 23rd.
I believe we have a short agenda for this meeting - mostly a question as
to whether recent information provided by TC members mean we have enough
to begin our review, and a walk-through of the open action items (which
overwhelmingly belong to Rich!).
Agenda
--------
0. Approval of the minutes (see attached and URL above)
1. Is the ODF v1.2 draft ready for our review? Note that Michael Brauer
recently posted the v7 schemas, and Patrick Durusau just today posted
ODF v1.2 v7-03-0531.
- See: v7-02 at:
http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/28121/OpenDocument-v1.2-v7-02.odt
- See Patrick's v7-03-0531 message:
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/office/200806/msg00000.html
- See Michael's v7 schemas message:
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/office/200805/msg00129.html &
- See Michael's message on schemas:
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/office/200805/msg00134.html
2. Action items (from before)
a. Janina to modify the accessibility guidelines to state how common
field attributes (section 6.7 of the ODF 1.2 spec.) should be supplied
to the AT. The field attributes would indicate whether something were a
boolean, gregorian date, etc.
b. Peter Korn to: provide provide guidelines as to how to provide
tracking information to ATs; and modify guidelines to ensure
applications respond to system font and color settings.
c. Rich Schwerdtfeger to: add wording to the next revision of the
accessibility guidelines to allow control of the animation rate of
images in a presentation
d. Hiro to provide wording in the to address dynamic, asynchronous
updates There are several topics in the specs related to â??asynchronous
automatic updateâ?? of contents or values. Automatic updates should be
carefully presented to assistive technologies through accessibility
APIs. Documents are becoming more dynamic- async updates - some
examples: linked tables, database ranges, scritping, text sections, DDE
connections.
f. Rich Schwerdtfeger to answer questions: How does ODF do language
tagging of a range of text? Font attributes? And how best to tag a
string as "Grade 2 English Braille", vs. "music Braille in German".
[From Tatsuya: look at ODF v1.1 spec. 15.4.23 Language; Use the
fo:language, fo:language-asian and fo:language-complex properties to
specify the language of the text. See §7.9.2 of [XSL] for details. Some
applications ignore these properties if they are not specified together
with the corresponding fo:country property.]
g. Rich Schwerdtfeger: Find deadlines for ODF 1.2; also to verify
whether TC would like to see our 1.2 guidelines doc delivered at same
time (in same "bundle") as 1.2 spec.
h. Rich Schwerdtfeger: address question/ research on Accessibility of
Animations
- Animations that are defined and controlled by ODF (eg. Fly right, fly
left)
- Embedded content that contains animations
i. Rich Schwerdtfeger: Research Tasks
- Plugins that support captions
- OS Matrix on Descriptive Video
j. Rich Schwerdtfeger: Modify Hiro's proposal to put into merge
document. Notes from previous meeting:
Hiro - Write proposed modification to 8.1.1 to add caption-id for table,
and 9.2.15.2 to include tables - <ref
name="common-draw-caption-id-attlist"/> [note that Hiro is providing
more information related to table headers (from
http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/office-accessibility/email/archives/200711/msg00007.html
)
Regards,
Peter Korn
Accessibility Architect,
Sun Microsystems, Inc.
----- Message from Peter Korn <Peter.Korn@Sun.COM> on Thu, 29 May 2008
17:35:04 -0700 -----
To: office-accessibility@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: [office-accessibility] OASIS ODF accessibility meeting minutes -
23May08
Dear colleagues,
Here are the minutes I took from our OASIS ODF accessibility meeting on
23May08.
Please note that our next meeting is set for this coming Monday June 2nd,
at 7am PT / 9am CT / 10am ET / 4pm CET / 11pm Japan time. Rich - I believe
the deal was I'd wake up early for these meetings, and you'd be responsible
for being coherent and running them!
Attendees
---------
Tatsuya
Janina
Pete Brunet
Peter Korn
Rich
Hiro
Agenda
--------
0. Approval of the minutes
- I am not finding our previous minutes. Only two messages from Mike
Paciello, at:
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/office-accessibility/200805/msg00001.html
and
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/office-accessibility/200805/msg00005.html
* Unanimous consent to minutes sent by Mike Paciello at
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/office-accessibility/200805/msg00022.html
1. Confirm with IBM Japan, all, that this as our most-of-the-time new
meeting time
* Tatsuya requests on behalf of the rest of IBM Japan that we start one
hour earlier: at 11:00am PT /
* Confirmations from Janina, Peter, Pete, Rich, Tatsuya, and Hiro that
7am PT / 9am CT / 10am ET / 11pm Japan works for them - except the 2nd
Monday of every month for Rich is a conflict
* Action: get confirmation from others
2. Conform with IBM Japan, all, which week of the month (and perhaps day
of the week) we will use an alternate time, and exactly what that time is
* IBM Japan reports that, so long as we are meeting one hour earlier (at
11pm their time), we don't need to meet at a better time for Japan one week
a month.
3. Status of the vote for making our ODF Guidelines document a formal
Committee Specification (see the vote at:
http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/office/ballot.php?id=1459)
* Report of vote: 11 ayes, no nays; we are a committee specification
* See:
http://docs.oasis-open.org/office/office-accessibility/v1.0/cs01/ODF_Accessibility_Guidelines-v1.0.pdf.
and
http://docs.oasis-open.org/office/office-accessibility/v1.0/cs01/ODF_Accessibility_Guidelines-v1.0.odt.
and
http://docs.oasis-open.org/office/office-accessibility/v1.0/cs01/ODF_Accessibility_Guidelines-v1.0.html
4. ODF v1.2 draft
-Latest: v7-02:
http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/28121/OpenDocument-v1.2-v7-02.odt.
- We have two concerns as stated by Pete Brunet about tables - see:
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/office-accessibility/200805/msg00017.html
- We had the plan from our last meeting (April 28) to assign sections of
this specification for review, but are missing that report from the
minutes. In the absence of that info, we will need to regenerate it
* Rich: this specification seems not quite ready for review -> the
schema isn't in sync with the rest of the document (Michael Brauer had
suggested we provide schema changes).
* AI for Rich: to work with the TC to determine when we will have a
draft that is ready for our review
5. ODF Accessibility Guidelines v1.1 for ODF v1.2
- Seeking a new owner/maintainer for the document (instead of me)...
* No volunteers; Peter remains stuck with it
- Summary of planned additions/changes:
a. Janina's new section 2.6, 2.6.1, and 2.6.2;
also add guidelines to address reload delay section 3.13.2 which
would allow user agents to control the reload delay, as per
http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/office-accessibility/email/archives/200804/msg00034.html
* "3.13.2" is a red herring. Janina's new 2.6 is what was sought, and
is done.
Janina to modify the accessibility guidelines to state how common
field attributes (section 6.7 of the ODF 1.2 spec.) should be supplied to
the AT. The field attributes would indicate whether something were a
boolean, gregorian date, etc.
* This remains an open AI for Janina
b. Peter Korn to: provide provide guidelines as to how to provide
tracking information to ATs; and modify guidelines to ensure applications
respond to system font and color settings.
* This remains an open AI for Peter
c. Rich Schwerdtfeger to: add wording to the next revision of the
accessibility guidelines to allow control of the animation rate of images
in a presentation
* This remains an open AI for Rich
d. Hiro to provide wording in the to address dynamic, asynchronous
updates There are several topics in the specs related to â??asynchronous
automatic updateâ?? of contents or values. Automatic updates should be
carefully presented to assistive technologies through accessibility APIs.
Documents are becoming more dynamic- async updates - some examples: linked
tables, database ranges, scritping, text sections, DDE connections.
* This remains an open AI for Hiro; will check this also against the
latest ODF v1.2 spec.
6. Previous action items:
* Peter actions:
- Check to see if this is a bug in OpenOffice: Address David's concern
that headings were made available in an easy to discern way. ... H2s
followed by H1s etc. He obtained that structure from an additional file.
Came back in an OOo update, and that information was no longer available.
Was Dave relying on optional attributes that are no longer there, or did
OOo break the spec.?
-> Not a spec. issue, and if a bug, it appears fixed. See Section 4.1 of
the ODF v1.1 spec. The element is <text:h>, and the heading level is
indicated by the attribute "text:outline-level" which is set to equal the
heading level (e.g. "1", "2").
* Rich actions:
- How does ODF do language tagging of a range of text? Font
attributes? And how best to tag a string as "Grade 2 English Braille", vs.
"music Braille in German".
* This remains an open AI for Rich
[From Tatsuya: look at ODF v1.1 spec. 15.4.23 Language; Use the
fo:language, fo:language-asian and fo:language-complex properties to
specify the language of the text. See §7.9.2 of [XSL] for details. Some
applications ignore these properties if they are not specified together
with the corresponding fo:country property.]
- Find deadlines for ODF 1.2; also to verify whether TC would like to
see our 1.2 guidelines doc delivered at same time (in same "bundle") as 1.2
spec.
* This remains an open AI for Rich
- Accessibility of Animations
- Animations that are defined and controlled by ODF (eg. Fly right,
fly left)
- Embedded content that contains animations
* This remains an open AI for Rich
- Research Tasks
- Plugins that support captions
- OS Matrix on Descriptive Video
* This remains an open AI for Rich
- Modify Hiro's proposal to put into merge document. Notes from
previous meeting:
Hiro - Write proposed modification to 8.1.1 to add caption-id for table,
and 9.2.15.2 to include tables - <ref
name="common-draw-caption-id-attlist"/> [note that Hiro is providing more
information related to table headers (from
http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/office-accessibility/email/archives/200711/msg00007.html
)
* This remains an open AI for Rich
Regards,
Peter Korn
Accessibility Architect,
Sun Microsystems, Inc.
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