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Subject: Office A11y SC Draft Minutes, 24 November


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Minutes
Office Accessibility SubCommittee Teleconference
Monday, 24 November 2008
Submitted by Janina Sajka

Attending:
	Pete Brunet		PB
	Richard Schwerdtfeger	RS
	Janina Sajka		JS


1. Approval of minutes from 10Nov08 meeting
http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/office-accessibility/email=
/archives/200811/msg00014.html

Approved.

2. Wrap up on best practices for radio button groups - Pete Brunet, Mal=
te
to lead discussion

There are two tags providing labeling: 1)form:frame and 2) form:fixed-t=
ext.
In the
latter case, i.e. static text is labeling a group of buttons (rather
than the buttons being groups in a form:frame, would you be able to
implement an accessible hierarchy (including the proper relations) for =
a
button group?
Last Post:
http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/office-accessibility/email=
/archives/200810/msg00007.html
http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/office-accessibility/email=
/archives/200811/msg00009.html

RS: How does one know visually?

PB: Perhaps vertical lines and a label. I've not seen it abused.

PB: Some kind of visual grouping indicator.

	http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/office-accessibility/email/archives/200811/msg00008.html

RS: So the fact that they have the same name groups them?

PB: form:name

PB: Malte's example was hand coded mainly as a proof that it can be messed up
in ODF. It's not anything we've seen from Open Office.

RS:	So, it is possible to break this in ODF, strictly.

RS: Can you create a group in OpenOffice?

PB: You mean frame? Last time I tried in Symphony, it was broken ...

RS: So you can put a group around the radio group, but what does it do? How do
you know?

PB: It appears the ua collects these and gives them radio group behavior if
they have the same name.

RS: But that's not in the spec, correct? That's too weak for me because then
we're making guesses and it's not declared the case.

PB: Correct. ODF doesn't convey that itself, that these are "mutually
exclusive."

RS: Forms already have an id, why do we need to provide a name?

PB: I don't know what names are used for other than to collect into groups.

RS: Perhaps name is for authors who wouldn't find meaning in an id.


RS: So, form name is a unique identifier. It's just a guess that its part of a
group.

RS: So form:label is the actual name?

PB: Yes, the text on the radio button.

RS: I think we need form:group  ...

JS: Needs to be semantically explicit.

RS: Yes. Frame is a visual group, we need it defined in the ODF ml itself.

RS: As part of our proposal we will require a group definition , such as is
found in Xforms, which we can then easily map to our a11y APIs.

ACTION: RS to propose to the ODF TC and the A11y SC the introduction of a
group element similar to that available in Xforms because the name element is
currently overloaded and it's possible to misrepresent its meaning. RS will
also ask why xml:name and xml:id.

RS: And that's all we can take on today given there are only three of us
present.

NEXT MEETING: Next Monday, 1 December 2008

/END







3. Specification related Issues:

- ACTION: Hiro to post clearly marking whether links are local as an is=
sue
to our list and the TC list.

- Use of ARIA concepts to assist ATs in processing dynamic content thro=
ugh
added meta data

- Live Regions
   - ACTION: Peter to figure out live region exposure in ATK/AT-SPI for=
 use
in client apps.
   - ISSUE: Should we include live region capabilities and how should w=
e
render these?
- Issue: Should the role attribute be included as part of standard meta=

data

4. Accessibility Guidelines Actions and Issues

4.1 Issues to Discuss
- Janina to clarify text in section 3.4. Was this sent to Peter?
CLOSED: See:
http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/office-accessibility/email/archives/200810/msg00008.html
 
- Janina to modify accessibility guidelines to state how common field
attributes (section 6.7 of the ODF 1.2 spec.) should be supplied to the=
 AT.
The field attributes would indicate whether something were a Boolean,
Gregorian date, etc.
CLOSED: Overcome By Events, see:
http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/office-accessibility/email/archives/200810/msg00009.html

- Malte: Provide input on charts backed by disjoint cells:

How does (or how will) OpenOffice provide access to charts backed by
disjoint cell ranges either in a single or multiple tables? If this cas=
e be
done today, what are the examples?
http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/office/email/archives/2008=
08/msg00054.html
http://mediacast.sun.com/share/korn/chart-accessibility-challenge.ogg
http://mediacast.sun.com/share/korn/chart-in-writer.behavior.ogg

- Hiros suggestions for BPG:
http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/office-accessibility/email=
/archives/200811/msg00006.html

4.2 Editorial Action Items

- Peter to remove Appendix E.3 Tables/Presentations
- Rich Provide a section on PDF conversion related to supporting repeat=
ing
table headers in PDF
- Peter Korn and Pete Brunet to specify the text of how table row and
column information are mapped in ATK and IA2
- Peter Korn to consider/Update our guidelines to cover Apple api.

5. Other Action item from prior meeting

* Rich to provide base document for ODF 1.2 change specification (start=
ing
with table caption-id reference) to Mike Paciello. Mike is to own the
requirements document for ODF 1.2 which will be submitted to the ODF TC=
.
Rich is waiting on a decision as to where the ODF schema is to reside
(separate or within the base document).

Latest ODF Specifications

http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/office/documents.php


NEW ACTIONS ASSIGNED IN THIS MEETING

ACTION: RS to propose to the ODF TC and the A11y SC the introduction of a
group element similar to that available in Xforms because the name element is
currently overloaded and it's possible to misrepresent its meaning. RS will
also ask why xml:name and xml:id.

NEXT MEETING

Next Monday, 1 December.



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