| Andreas,
The definition of ODF says that the format code is "a sequence of characters with an implementation-defined meaning", so clearly it cannot be saved in the document file exactly as you enter and see it. A bit of experimentation suggests that instead, an explanation of the format is included in the "styles" element, and this allows only such things as "decimal-places", "grouping" (whether you want the thousands separator), "currency-symbol", "min-exponent-digits", and so on. This would suggest that your desired format, although acted upon by Calc, indeed cannot be saved in an .ods file and is lost when you attempt this.
I just asked him to specify where this is found. This is what I got back from him:
Op 3 jul. 2014, om 16:32 heeft Brian Barker het volgende geschreven: At 15:46 03/07/2014 +0200, you wrote: Could you please provide me info as to where in the ODF standards the styles element is described?
I didn't know anything about this, so I looked on the web. All I could find was the definition of the TEXT() function, whose second argument is indeed the same sort of format string and must have to follow the same syntax. This was at http://docs.oasis-open.org/office/v1.2/cos01/OpenDocument-v1.2-cos01-part2.html#__RefHeading__1018880_715980110 . This implies that the zeroes and hashes and so on cannot be saved in documents. I also created a spreadsheet document with your format and other similar ones, and unpacked and looked inside the resulting .ods files. That's where I found the XML document representation, including "decimal-places", "grouping", "currency-symbol", "min-exponent-digits", and so on. For your unusual format to be represented in this form, there would have to be a corresponding quantitative description for conditional trailing digits, and I deduce that there isn't. You can no doubt find descriptions of these tokens at the OASIS web site too; see http://docs.oasis-open.org/office/v1.2/cd05/OpenDocument-v1.2-cd05.pdf ; start at 19.345. Brian Barker
Best, Rob.
Op 3 jul. 2014, om 04:25 heeft Andreas J. Guelzow het volgende geschreven:
On 14-07-02 06:39 PM, Dennis E.
Hamilton wrote:
Rob, I have no idea how an
enhancement request could be defined. I have not found
where the handling of formatting strings is prescribed in
ODF.
There are no "formatting strings" in ODF. Number formatting is
achieved via the <number:number-style> element. The
interesting child element in this context is <number:number>.
Perhaps someone who says that is the problem can
point us to where that limitation can be found in the ODF
specification. There is only one ODF format
definition and it is independent of production and
consumption. There is nothing in ODF that
would have round-tripping fail. If the application
can’t actually produce something in a document that you
attempted to represent, it should not have presented it to
you as if it would.
I assume you are referring here to some sort of "native ODF
application" whatever its definition may be. ODF is a file-format it
really does not (and should not) say anything about an applications
features.
That is not something the ODF
specification can fix. Round-tripping
failures of an ODF-native product with itself are not
possibly originated in the ODF specification.
The only sensible definition of "ODF-native" that would make this a
true statement uses probably exactly this property I would think.
Not-with-standing this, since ODF allows for extensions in its
extended-conformance class, any application in fact can round trip
any file through (extended conforming) ODF.
Andreas
(I am not on the ODF TC, so you
should first start by having someone identify where this
situation is determined in the ODF specification. Then the ODF TC can
decide if there is an actual issue.) - Dennis
Hi Dennis,
The default formatting of the column is
0,000
Then I created conditional formatting
to be 0,00 with the following formula: MOD(C2;0,01)=0
This is a great workaround!
Still, it is weird that the original
formatting works, and round-trips through .xlsx, but
not through ODF...
Also, MS Excel picks it up.
So, the functionality is there, but
it can;t be saved in ODF.
Should this be worded as an
enhancement request, and how do I do that?
Op 2 jul. 2014, om 22:12 heeft
Dennis E. Hamilton het volgende geschreven:
Hi Rob,
I think you can do this, but perhaps not the way
you expect.
I don’t know where in the ODF specification there
is any rule about formats like "#.##0,00#", but
you can do it with conditional styles.
That is, try creating a conditional style on
whether the value *100 is an exact integer or not,
and then have 2 digits after the decimal or 3,
depending on the condition result. That’s
definitely possible in ODF and the only question
is whether it is supported by the Calc
implementation of your choice.
-- Dennis E. Hamilton
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PS: It seems to me that accepting values and
presenting them as you expect, but not
round-tripping that form with itself, is a bug
regardless of how the ODF specification is being
interpreted for this case.
- - - - - Original Message - - - - - -
From: Rob Jasper [mailto:Rob@famJasper.nl]
Sent: Wednesday, July 2, 2014 10:11
To: office-comment@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: [office-comment] Formatting in
spreadsheet
Hi,
I have a problem saving customer number format
#.##0,00# on ods files.
Background:
I am using LibreOffice. I have a spreadsheet in
which I keep my stamp collection.
In one of the columns I keep the orginal face
value of the stamp. Normally this is a value of X
dutch guilders and YY cents, which is denoted as
X,YY (we use a , for decimal separator). Example
0,25 for a quarter.
My problem is that in the older stamps there are
values like 12 and a half cents, which I denote at
0,125. So far so good. Now I want the extra 3rd
digit only to be displayed when actually used. So,
I see values like:
0,25
0,30
0,125
LO processes this fine, if a save the .ods file
and reopen it the formatting of the column has
changed to 0,000 . Above fields are then displayed
as:
0,250
0,300
0,125
According to the LibreOffice folks the ODF
standard does not allow this. If I save in oodoc
(.xlsx) the formatting stays in tact. Of course I
want to save in a real standard :-(.
Can you confirm the opinion of the LO people?
If this is the case, than I really feel this is a
flaw or omision in the standards.
How can I get this on the radar to be repaired in
the standards?
Regards,
Rob Jasper,
Netherlands.
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