Subject: Re: [office-formula] Proposal: Work ONLY electronically after initialtelecomm, except when we decide otherwise
David A. Wheeler wrote: > One thing has become crystal-clear in our attempt to have an initial > teleconference: teleconferencing is a TERRIBLE mechanism for > this group. We cover a LOT of time zones, we have a lot of VERY busy > experts, and for several members English is not their native language. > For the last group, their written English is much better than their spoken English; > trying to use spoken English is a barrier to participation, and we do NOT > want to create any barriers to participation. I would agree with this. Among the non-native speakers, I probably have the best English, and I'm not terribly keen on discussing technical issues over the phone. In addition, I hypothesize that phones just don't lend themselves to technical discussions (I say hypothesize because I've never actually tried). You can't post code samples over the phone. > So I propose this: at the upcoming formula teleconference, > we should vote on this proposal: > "As a standing rule, we agree to work electronically except when > we SPECIFICALLY decide otherwise." I'll make sure I'm at the teleconference and vote in favour. [snip] > I've looked over the OASIS rules, and I think we can do this, even > though it's a different mode of operation from the OpenDocument TC itself. > Section 2.13 (TC Voting) says: "... A motion to open an electronic ballot > must be made in a TC meeting unless the TC has adopted a standing > rule to allow this motion to be made on the TC's general email list. > When such a rule has been adopted, motions made on the mail list > must also be seconded and discussed on that list." > > If I interpret that rule correctly, I think we MUST have a kick-off meeting > (via telecomm). At that telecomm I plan to propose adopting > a standing rule to allow motions to be made and discussed on > the mailing list, and for voting to happen electronically. If that passes, > then we can do the rest of the work electronically, because we'll have > discussed and passed a standing rule to allow it. I concur with your interpretation. [big snip] Thank you for the info. I think that your interpretations are sensible, and it looks like all the bases are covered. For example, in my first draft response I said that we'd have to define what it means to "stop participating", but later in your email you included a definition "to fail to vote for two different (consecutive?) voting periods". > Note IN PARTICULAR that ALL formal work of this group MUST > be via OASIS-controlled mechanisms. So if we use a Wiki, it MUST > be OASIS' Wiki (it's MoinMoin). I don't realy care where the wiki is, but I have a question: what are the restrictions on "informal" work? Can we have an "informal" meeting on IRC and then give a "formal" synopsis on-list? (perhaps with a vote). Best, Daniel. -- /\/`) http://opendocumentfellowship.org /\/_/ /\/_/ I'm not saying there should be a capital punishment for \/_/ stupidity, but why don't we just take the safety labels / off of everything and let the problem solve itself?