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Subject: Re: [office-requirements] Starting up ...

Thanks Doug for the feedback on sc34.  I knew there was some
discussion going on.  That, in the end, it's all a problem best solved
by topic maps comes as no surprise :-)

It seems that the actual collection of comments is dictated by oasis
policy - they must come through the list, which is sensible enough.

What we can (and should) think about is the parsing and categorizing
of those comments in a way which can sensibly deal with a scale of
100's.  I am looking at some possible approaches.


2008/9/8 Doug Mahugh <Doug.Mahugh@microsoft.com>:
> Bob,
> I agree, there does not seem to be an existing system that is tailored to the needs of public comment collection.
> Regarding your question, there has indeed been a proposal to build a system for use by WG4 to automate the collection of comments in IS29500.  It is a relatively simple web application, and uses a data-entry form that is based on the G5 Defect Report form included in the JTC 1 Directives.  I demonstrated a prototype of this system at the London meeting of AHG1/AHG2 in July.  The system will be ready to go live as of the Jeju plenary on the 1st of October, however that system is currently planned for NB/liaison comments only.  We discussed a public comment collection system in London, and some members were of the opinion that such a system should employ other technologies such as topic maps, beyond the simple relational model used by the system we put together for use by WG4.  At this point the public comment collection process for IS29500 is an open item that will be discussed/decided in Jeju.
> Regards,
> Doug
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bob Jolliffe [mailto:bobjolliffe@gmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 7:48 AM
> To: office-requirements@lists.oasis-open.org
> Subject: Re: [office-requirements] Starting up ...
> Rob,
> Thanks for the feedback.  I had in mind points 1 and 3 below but I
> think the second item (regarding tooling) is a really important one.
> It has come up on a TC call before and was also a point of discussion
> around DIS29500 processing of comments.
> I know ECMA created something for producing the final resolution of
> comments document.   Various NBs (including UK and SA) made use - or
> abuse - of a software issue-tracking program called mantis to try to
> organise the work.  In both of these cases they were not dealing with
> the front end process of actually collecting the comments.
> I think the general conclusion to be made is that (1) tooling is
> really important where there is significant public interest in a
> standard and (2) the specific tools (if it is specific tools which are
> required) don't yet exist. Its also not just an OASIS problem - I know
> SC34 were also considering the issue regarding collection of comments
> for OOXML.
> Doug, do you know if there has been any proposal there?
> Does anybody know what can or can't be hosted on oasis?  Or are we
> restricted to the basic structure which is provided?  Would it be
> allowed (or even proper) to host a "tool" outside of oasis?
> Regards
> Bob
> 2008/9/4  <robert_weir@us.ibm.com>:
>> bobj@dst.gov.za wrote on 09/04/2008 06:24:28 AM:
>>> Greetings and apologies for the long quietness.  I was in Brazil
>>> last week and returned to something of an email blackout.  I am back
>>> up and running again now.
>>> We need to plan for a an inaugural first conference call.  Can I
>>> suggest Wednesday in two weeks (17 Sep)?  Looking at the current
>>> geographical spread of members of the SC I am guessing that the same
>>> time as the TC call, 14h00 GMT, should be at least workable for most
>> people.
>> I can make it then.
>>> In the interim I will work on an agenda (and figure out how to set
>>> up the call) so please send through any agenda items you might want
>>> to add.  The first call is likely to be a fairly open discussion as
>>> we brainstorm modes of operation.
>> 1. Appoint editor(s) for the report
>> 2. How do we organize our work, in terms of tooling?  We'll be dealing
>> with 200-500 ideas if we open this up to public input.  We need to
>> classify, short, prioritize these all. A spreadsheet gives the
>> sorting/filtering needed, but limits us to a single editor at a time.  A
>> wiki is more open, but doesn't have support for sorting and filtering.
>> 3. Outreach for feature ideas -- who/how/when?
>> -Rob
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