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Subject: [office] OASIS Open Office XML Format TC Meeting Minutes 10-Mar-03

MARCH, THE 10TH, 2003, 4PM GMT - 5:10PM GMT

Doug Alberg <doug.alberg@boeing.com>, Boeing
Phil Boutros <pboutros@stellent.com>, Stellent
Michael Brauer <michael.brauer@sun.com>, Sun Microsystems
Simon Davis <simond@naa.gov.au>, National Archive of Australia
Gary Edwards <garyedwards@yahoo.com>
Paul Grosso <pgrosso@arbortext.com>, Arbortext
Jason Harrop <jharrop@speedlegal.com>, SpeedLegal
Paul Langille <paul.langille@corel.com>, Corel
Uche Ogbuji <uche.ogbuji@fourthought.com>
Daniel Vogelheim <daniel.vogelheim@sun.com>, Sun Microsystems

David Faure <faure@kde.org> (prospective member)

TC membership
David Faure will become a voting member at the end of the meeting.
John Chelsom and Mark Heller stepped down from voting members to observers.

Acceptance of Minutes of the March, the 3rd meeting
- The attending TC members unanimously accepted the minutes.

Action Items
- Daniel: Send link to updated TC spec/schemes maintained on OpenOffice.org
   - in progress
- Daniel: Suggest names for genre elements and attribute for master docs
   - in progress
- Editors: suggest Relax-NG schema changes according to the meeting
    - in progress
- Daniel: provide examples for word-processor style lists in the base format
   - done, see

Discussion of Work Package 3.1.2 Lists
- The TC unanimously agreed to replace the "text:ordered-list" and 
"text:unordered-list" list elements with a single "text:list", because 
the information whether a list is ordered or unordered is already 
contained in the list styles, so that different elements for ordered and 
unordered lists are in fact a redundancy. This also avoids the problem 
of overwriting the list type in a style, that even exists in HTML, where 
the list types can be overwritten with CSS rules.
- The TC also discussed the addition of a level attribute to the 
paragraph element. This allows to assign a numbering style and a level 
to a paragraph without requiring a list and list-item element. This is 
considered to be useful by the TC, because word processors allow not 
only to have numbered paragraph one after another (what can be 
considered to be a list), but also to have them randomly distributed 
among a document. Representing the later kind of numbered paragraphs by 
list elements is considered to be less reasonable by the TC. The TC also 
discussed to completely remove the list and list-item elements. The 
advantage of this would be a single concept for numbered paragraphs. The 
disadvantage of this however would be that in this case even document 
where numbered paragraphs appear and behave like lists for the user 
would not reflect the list structure. Also transformations that deal 
with lists would get more complicated, and the resulting schema would 
differ from other schemes like XHTML that contain markup for lists.  A 
reasonable compromise seems to be to have both concepts, list and single 
numbered paragraphs. This on the one hand would allow to represent 
numbered paragraphs as list where they appear and behave like lists in 
word processor applications, without forcing numbered paragraphs to be 
represented as lists, where this is not the case. Michael Brauer will 
make a proposal for this on the TC lists and the discussion/voting of 
this will be continued on the list.

New Action Items
Michael: Make proposal for list/numbered paragraphs.

Michael Brauer

OASIS Open Office XML format TC chair

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