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Subject: Re: [office] Proposal for Index, Combining Entries, pp and passim
Hi, as agreed, below is my proposal for changing the description of 8.8.1.4 Combining Entries. The current description is: [...] The pages referenced by a combined entry can be formatted as: - As a range of numbers separated by a dash using the text:combine-entries-with-dash attribute. - As the start number with a pp label, or the appropriate label for the chosen language, using the text:combine-entries-with-pp attribute. I propose that we change the last sentence to: - As the start number, followed by a "ff", or the appropriate label for the chosen language, using the text:combine-entries-with-pp attribute. I further propose that we replace "XML 45pp" in table 13 with "XML 45ff". Best regards Michael Michael Brauer - Sun Germany - ham02 - Hamburg wrote: > Hi, > > It seems to me that the "45pp" example in section 7.8.1 in fact is a > translation of the German "45ff". Unfortunately, it is not sufficient to > change the example to either "XML 45-48 passim" or "XML, pp. 45-48", > because the description of the "text:combine-entries-with-pp" states > > "As the start number with a pp label, or the appropriate label for the > chosen language, using the text:combine-entries-with-pp attribute" > > This means that we have a restriction for the start number here. We have > (at least) to options to resolve this. > > a) We allows language specific either a start number, or a range. > > b) We keep the attribute as it is, but explicitly specify that a page > range is displayed if the text:combine-entries-with-dash attribute has > the value true. > > Best regards > > Michael > > > > > Patrick Durusau wrote: >> Dave, >> >> Dave Pawson wrote: >> >>> On 16/11/06, Patrick Durusau <patrick@durusau.net> wrote: >>> >>> >>>> > If you could name a reference that applies equally to all nations >>>> > I guess that would apply. >>>> > >>>> I don't know of any reference that applies to all nations but, >>>> conceptually I don't see how scattered references to XML on pages 45, >>>> 46, 47, 48 could be represented as "XML 45pp" given the absence of an >>>> end point for the references. >>> >>> >>> that's a different issue from quoting a single nation reference as >>> the reason to change how bib references are handled. >>> Are you saying that '45pp' is an idref, or that 45pp is the text content >>> for the bib/index reference? >>> >> In the current specification, the text content is "45pp" to represent >> an index entry for XML on pages 45, 46, 47, 48. >> >> I was citing the reference as I suspected it was their intent to >> follow that style. >> >> But, as Bruce points out, you could have XML 45-48 pp. (as text >> content), but that is not what appears in the schema. >> >> Either way, I suspect that 45pp is simply an error. >> >> Hope you are having a great day! >> >> Patrick >> >>> >>>> >>>> I don't doubt that other indexing systems exist for denoting ranges >>>> that >>>> contain references for an index entry. I would be interested in >>>> learning >>>> of any widely used system that denotes a range of references with only >>>> the starting point of the range. >>> >>> >>> The bib system users have been fighting this for years and have a number >>> of solutions. If Bruce is listening I'm surprised he hasn't come up with >>> ready solutions. I think he's coded this class of problem in XSLT. >>> >>> If not, he's on the metadata group. >>> >>> regards >>> >>> >>> >> > > -- Michael Brauer, Technical Architect Software Engineering StarOffice/OpenOffice.org Sun Microsystems GmbH Nagelsweg 55 D-20097 Hamburg, Germany michael.brauer@sun.com http://sun.com/staroffice +49 40 23646 500 http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS
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