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Subject: Re: [office] Muting and unmuting
David, David Faure wrote: >OK, can someone remind me how to mute and unmute the phone? >I was on the call today, but it seems that after the echo problems I muted the phone >(I found *6 by googling), but I wasn't able to unmute again afterwards (the page said >to do *6 again, didn't work)... What's the magic combination? > > > I tried several things but I think *5 was the one that worked. Can anyone confirm? >I just wanted to say that IMHO we can never achieve 100% compatibility with a format >like msword. We should of course add the necessary features where they make sense, >but I don't think it makes sense to add all the corner cases that might differ by a few >millimeters in the layout of lists, for instance. So if a sensible proposal is 99% compatible >and the full-100%-compatible means basically copying the MS XML into ODF without any >hopes of feasibility of implementation, or any resulting spec that anyone would understand... >then I take the sensible proposal. > > > Really depends on what you mean by 100% compatibility. I have heard the phrase "100% fidelity," which I think is pretty much meaningless. What if ODF gave a different display but round tripped any changes to the document to MS Word? Is that 100% compatibility or 100% fidelity? Seems to me that ODF should be able to preserve information for exporting back to converted formats but I am not sure that is either 100% compatibility or 100% fidelity. That is simply having an adequately defined import/export mechanism. Some targets may be harder than others. If the requirement is to display some formatting that is never defined, then I take it the task is nearly impossible and probably not worth the effort. Ultimately I agree that discussing compatibility/fidelity in a vacuum isn't really productive. With specific cases we can evaluate what *capabilities* that ODF should offer. How those are used by a particular application is an entirely different issue. ODF may provide the ability to duplicate the display of some other format and I may simply choose to not do so. That doesn't mean that there is any problem with ODF but with my application, should duplication of display be a requirement. I think we need to keep the separation between what ODF enables and what applications choose to do very clear. Hope you are having a great day! Patrick >But I don't know if this applies to the current proposals about lists, the question was only >about the general approach :) > > > -- Patrick Durusau Patrick@Durusau.net Chair, V1 - Text Processing: Office and Publishing Systems Interface Co-Editor, ISO 13250, Topic Maps -- Reference Model Member, Text Encoding Initiative Board of Directors, 2003-2005 Topic Maps: Human, not artificial, intelligence at work!