Re: [office] Do you agree, that the list style of a list belongs tothe style markup of a document?

[Oliver-Rainer Wittmann - Software engineer - Sun Microsystems Inc<Oliver-Rainer.Wittmann@Sun.COM>]

Hi Florian,

before I give any comment, I want you to simple answer my questions 
with "Yes" or "No".

Regards, Oliver.

Florian Reuter wrote:
> Hi Oliver,
> 
> thats one point of view. But I really think that this is *not* the typical "office applications" view to it.
> 
> Let me give you an example. Suppose you have a document like this:
> <sample>
> We should do:
> 1. Bla bla bla
> 2. bla bla bla
> 3. bla bla bla
> 
> We should not do:
> 1. Bla bla bla
> 2. bla bla bla
> 3. bla bla bla
> </sample>
> Suppose both lists use the same list-style "L1". So in ODF and according to your lasted proposal this will be like
> <text:list list-style="L1" text:id="id1_1">
> <text:list-header>We should do:</text:list-header>
> <text:list-item>Bla bla bla</text:list-item>
> <text:list-item>bla bla bla</text:list-item>
> <text:list-item>bla bla bla</text:list-item>
> </text:list>
> <text:p/>
> <text:list list-style="L1" text:id="id1_2">
> <text:list-header>We should not do:</text:list-header>
> <text:list-item>Bla bla bla</text:list-item>
> <text:list-item>bla bla bla</text:list-item>
> <text:list-item>bla bla bla</text:list-item>
> </text:list>
> 
> So now lets suppose the editor of the above sample document decides to number the "should not dos" with roman numbers.
> So we will change the style "L1" to roman and end up with the following document
> <sample>
> We should do:
> I. Bla bla bla
> II. bla bla bla
> III. bla bla bla
> 
> We should not do:
> I. Bla bla bla
> II. bla bla bla
> III. bla bla bla
> </sample>
> Althought he only wanted to change the number of the "should not dos" to roman. But since he changed the style he
> changed both. I agreee with you that this is the excepted behaviour with a paragraph or character style but this is not
> the expected behaviour in a list.
> 
> So I really believe that every office application (even KWord :-)) will --at the end -- present the user a "1:1 mapping
> between list style and counter domain". Since thats the expected behaviour of the users. So OOo for example had to
> internally make a copy of the style and attach is to the list and then change the style...
> 
> So I really see no value in breaking this 1:1 relationship. In fact my fear is that we impose extra costs to ODF
> procedding since every office application has to establish this 1:1 relationship on loading.
> 
> My two cents,
> 
> ~Florian
> 
> P.S.
> Does the above example use your text:id in the right way. So the text:id breaks that "continue" rule of adjacent list
> styles, right?
> 
> 
> 
>>>> Oliver-Rainer Wittmann - Software engineer - Sun Microsystems Inc <Oliver-Rainer.Wittmann@Sun.COM> 03/14/07 9:30 AM
>>>>
> 
> But, I've also got some questions to you, Florian:
> - Do you agree, that the list style of a list belongs to the style
> markup of a document?
> In my opinion, the list style of a list belongs to the style markup.
> - Do you agree, that in ODF documents the style markup has to be
> separated from the content markup and that leaving out the style
> markup of a document doesn't change the content structure/meaning?
> In my opinion, this is the case.
> - Do you agree, that it is a very bad idea for ODF to define that
> style markup define/influence the content structure - namely using the
> list style of list items/numbered paragraphs to define, which list
> items/numbered paragraphs form a list?
> In my view, it is a bad idea.