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Subject: RE: [office] How about an interoperability Subcommittee?

Hi Patrick,
That's a pitty not meet you in joint TC meeting at OASIS Symposium.  I
have uploaded the slides and demo for this TC meeting. The main topic is
to realize interop via UOML.
In fact, interop is the main purpose of the charter of proposed TC, it
is at semantic level.  For UOML TC, the main reason to define a
operatiing interface standard is for use of interop, it is at layout
level( http://www.oasis-open.org/events/symposium/2006/slides/Wang.pdf).
I believe that maping to a different format is not reliable. An unify
operating interface is more feasible and can meet market requirement.
I support to form a new SC within this TC, with the help of Adoption TC
and UOML TC, maybe also including the new proposed TC.


-----Original Message-----
From: Patrick Durusau [mailto:patrick@durusau.net] 
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 8:35 PM
To: Charles-H. Schulz
Cc: ALex Wang; robert_weir@us.ibm.com; peter@vandenabeele.com;
office@lists.oasis-open.org; peter.vandenabeele.be@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [office] How about an interoperability Subcommittee?


For reasons I detail below I think interoperability is the *next* issue 
but I would caution that we need to be mindful of the TC charter rules 
in OASIS. I am not sure that any TC actually has a charter that would 
cover a "standard" for interoperability. I don't think any of those for 
ODF or the UOML charter would cover it.

I suspect that a new TC with both specific and 'future' standards 
against which interoperability standards could be specified would be 
required. Besides, it would provide a more "neutral" meeting place for 
the various format supporters to meet.

It would take a lot of hard work but a TC that is sponsored by *all* the

major format proponents I think would start with a high degree of 
credibility in the world of technology. Noting that the issue would be 
*mapping* and not sniping about the choices made by any particular

As many of you know, I urged an EU panel back in March to make a mapping

between XML document formats a prerequisite for adoption of any XML 
format for office documents a prerequisite for adoption as an ISO 
standard. Some of you may not be old enough to remember conversion 
software that touted their abilities to convert between literally 
hundreds of diverse formats in the "bad old days." I do. We are close to

having XML based archival formats and we should not screw that up by 
having data islands with inconsistent mappings between XML based

Hope everyone is at the start of a great week!


Charles-H. Schulz wrote:

>Dear Alex,
>perhaps should we form an Interoperability SC within the UOML TC and 
>then coordinate back here? I think that there obviously needs to be 
>some technical, specification work to be done at the strict level of 
>interoperability, so forming the SC here might be a good choice. Of 
>course the Adoption TC needs to be involved as well.
>Charles-H. Schulz.
>ALex Wang a écrit :
>>Yes, this proposed TC is aimed to interop at semantic level. In other 
>>side, UOML TC is aimed to interop at layout level for visible use. 
>>Thanks Peter for introducing IDABC research project. I'd like to hear 
>>the future progress of that project.
>>    -----Original Message-----
>>    *From:* robert_weir@us.ibm.com [mailto:robert_weir@us.ibm.com]
>>    *Sent:* Monday, May 07, 2007 6:44 AM
>>    *To:* peter@vandenabeele.com
>>    *Cc:* office@lists.oasis-open.org; peter.vandenabeele.be@gmail.com
>>    *Subject:* Re: [office] How about an interoperability 
>> Subcommittee?
>>    Thanks, Peter, I had not heard of the IDABC research project.
>>    There are also discussions within OASIS on a new TC to investigate
>>    document standards interoperability.  See
>> http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/tc-announce/200704/msg00007.html
>>    This new OASIS proposal is more aligned to interop between ODF,
>>    DocBook, DITA and related formats..  Although these formats are
>>    not at the same level of presentation abstraction, there should be
>>    meaningful level of interop at the structural and perhaps semantic
>>    level (with ODF 1.2 metadata perhaps).
>>    So I think my proposed subcommittee could help with that as well.
>>    -Rob
>>    peter.vandenabeele.be@gmail.com wrote on 05/06/2007 05:15:15 PM:
>>    > On 5/6/07, robert_weir@us.ibm.com <robert_weir@us.ibm.com>
>>    > > Is there any interest among TC members in pursuing some of
>>    these topics in
>>    > > more depth in a subcommittee?
>>    >
>>    > At the recent IDABC Open Standards meeting (EU DIGIT) a specific
>>    proposal
>>    > was made to  start a research project into interop between ODF
>>    and other
>>    > formats (mainly Microsoft document formats in that proposal).
>>    All attendants
>>    > at the meeting pledged in favor of such research work. A
>>    > proposal will
>>    > now be written now and later proposed to the group that decides
>>    on budgets.
>>    >
>>    > I assume a form of collaboration between the proposed "interop
>>    SC" and the
>>    > EU research project would be useful.
>>    >
>>    > > Possible deliverables of the subcommittee might be a technical
>>    report on
>>    > > best practices for interoperability, as well as specific
>>    recommendations for
>>    > > accomplishing these goals.
>>    >
>>    > These lines match very closely to the deliverables proposed in
>>    the upcoming
>>    > EU project (but that was more narrowly focussed on Microsoft
>>    formats).
>>    >
>>    > Peter
>>    >
>>    > --
>>    > Peter Vandenabeele
>>    > peter AT vandenabeele DOT com
>>    > http://www.vandenabeele.com
>>    > http://www.linkedin.com/in/petervandenabeele
>>    > http://www.oasis-open.org/

Patrick Durusau
Chair, V1 - Text Processing: Office and Publishing Systems Interface
Co-Editor, ISO 13250, Topic Maps -- Reference Model Member, Text
Encoding Initiative Board of Directors, 2003-2005

Topic Maps: Human, not artificial, intelligence at work! 

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