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Subject: Re: [office] Drawing page names (Re: [office] OpenDocument TC MeetingMinutes 2006-02-13)
Hi, while integrating this proposal into the specification, I noticed that it would cause an inconsistency for tables: Tables are not per se graphical objects, so it seems a little bit uncommon to add svg elements to them. We had a similar situation for hyperlinks, where we use an "office:title" attribute instead. I therefore suggest that we reuse the office:title attribute for tables, and add an office:desc attribute, too. I further suggest that specify that the two attributes are ignored, if the table element is a child of an draw:frame element, because in this situation, the frame itself has a title and a description. The inconsistency does not effect the drawing pages. Michael Malte Timmermann wrote: > Makes sense for me. > > Matches well with what we have for shapes, and the mapping for > Accessibility API. > > BTW - I propose to have the same for sheets in a spreadsheet: > - Same features for Accessible Name/Description > - Sheet names have much more restrictions because of macro access, so > via the Title people can give them names they otherwise can't. > > Malte. > > Michael Brauer - Sun Germany - ham02 - Hamburg wrote, On 10/26/07 14:11: >> Hi, >> >> I have discussed the results of our discussion in the last TC call with >> Christian. He suggests that we adapt solution B (the draw:display-name) >> a little, and add <svg:title> and <svg:description> elements instead of >> a "draw:display-name" attribute. That is, the draw:name attribute would >> stay unique, but the <svg:title> element could be used to add a >> non-unique name or title to the page. The two elements <svg:title> and >> <svg:description> exist for shapes already. The solution therefore would >> be consistent with shapes >> >> Christian further suggest that we take first actions to deprecate the >> draw:id attribute in favour of the new xml:id attribute, by stating that >> they can only appear together, and must have the same name. >> >> See below for mor details: >> >>> Current Situation >>> >>> a <draw:page> element has the following attributes >>> >>> "draw:id" defined as a unique id for drawing pages. In OpenOffice.org (OOo), this was never used prior to OOo 2.3. >>> It is currently only used for redundant slide transition information. >>> >>> "draw:name" defined as an optional but unique name. OOo either writes a programmatic name ("page1", "page2", etc) or >>> a user defined one, which can contain white space. In the xml format it is used for links referring to slides inside a document >>> and also when defining a custom show. This has the consequence that such links break if the user renames the slide. >>> >>> a shape element has the following attributes >>> >>> "draw:id" defined as a unique id for shapes. This is used to identify shapes for animation effects. >>> >>> "draw:name" is an optional attribute. It is not documented if this has to be unique. In the OOo implementation, shape names >>> are enforced to be unique but only for shapes on one slide. For historical reasons this is also used for links to shapes in OOo. This feature >>> breaks if there are multiple shapes with the same name on different slides. >>> >>> In addition a shape has the elements <svg:title> and <svg:description> to specify text-only description strings for graphical >>> objects as specified in §5.4 of [SVG]. This was a A11Y requirement. >>> >>> Request for non unique page names >>> >>> The initial request was that the name of a page should not be enforced to be unique. To be consisted and to fulfill >>> A11Y requirements the <draw:page> element must also have the elements <svg:title> and <svg:description>. >>> In this context the title could be seen as the display name as proposed in solution B. For backward compatibility, >>> if no title is given then the name must be used. On the user interface the title must become what the user normally >>> refers to as the name of the page. >>> >>> A new request would be to prepare a conform way to identify pages and shape elements inside an odf document. >>> To enable linking to meta information we must have the xml:id attribute for pages (and optionally for shapes). >>> This would lead to the situation where we have the xml:id, the draw:id and the draw:name documented as kind >>> of identifiers for pages (and shapes). >>> To have a clean format I propose to add xml:id to both draw:page and all shape elements. It will be document that >>> draw:id attribute is deprecated and that applications must for now export the draw:id attribute with the same value >>> as the xml:id element. The attribute draw:id should be removed in a later version as soon as there is no more demand >>> for backward compatibility. >> Best regards >> >> Michael >> >> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from this mail list, you must leave the OASIS TC that > generates this mail. You may a link to this group and all your TCs in OASIS > at: > https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/portal/my_workgroups.php > -- Michael Brauer, Technical Architect Software Engineering StarOffice/OpenOffice.org Sun Microsystems GmbH Nagelsweg 55 D-20097 Hamburg, Germany michael.brauer@sun.com http://sun.com/staroffice +49 40 23646 500 http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS Sitz der Gesellschaft: Sun Microsystems GmbH, Sonnenallee 1, D-85551 Kirchheim-Heimstetten Amtsgericht Muenchen: HRB 161028 Geschaeftsfuehrer: Wolfgang Engels, Dr. Roland Boemer Vorsitzender des Aufsichtsrates: Martin Haering
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