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Subject: Re: [office] auto-play presentation file format like PPS


Dear All,
According to the previous discussion, we can have another schema definition in the package layer((See attached file: shortcut-open-mode-proposal.odt)yellow part is newly added). In this one, I put the shortcut-open-mode as an attribute of the manifest:file-entry, the advantage of this one is that the open mode is correlated with MIME type, but the disadvantage that I believe generally only the root file-entry needs this shortcut-open-mode attribute. For example,we can have a file entry description in the manifest file like this:
......
<manifest:file-entry
manifest:media-type="application/vnd.oasis.opendocument.presentation"
manifest:full-path="/"
manifest:shortcut-open-mode = "view" //only this entry need the attribute

We can choose between this definition and the previous one or anyting else. I prefer this one.

Best Regards,

Mingfei Jia()
IBM Lotus Symphony Development
IBM China Software Development LAB, Beijing
Tel: 86-10-82782244-2493 Fax: 86-10-62982924
NOTES:Ming Fei Jia/China/IBM E-mail: jiamingf@cn.ibm.com
Address: 4/F, DeShi Building No.9, East Road, ShangDi, Haidian District, Beijing 100085, PRC
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Re: [office] auto-play presentation file format like PPS Ming Fei Jia

Ming Fei Jia

to:

office

2008-04-08 00:33



Dear TC member,

During a couple of weeks discussion, most of members prefer to define the open mode (view/edit) in package layer in order to adapt to multiple applications. Of course, different applications can have their own explanations for the view mode. For example, Presentation will explain the view mode as "auto-play" when double-click/Enter the document from OS shell. Word Processor and Spreadsheet may explain the view mode as a kind of read-only mode when double-click/Enter the document from OS shell. I prefer to use "shortcut-open-mode" to express this meaning since this open mode is restricted to the scenario of launching documents from OS shell directly by double-click or Enter key. Also I defined a mode set for future extending althouth there are only 2 modes currently. The schema can be defined in OpenDocument v1.1 Section 17.7.2 Manifest Root Element as following:

<define name="manifest">

<element name="manifest:manifest">

<optional>

<attribute name="manifest:shortcut-open-mode" a:defaultValue="edit">

<choice>

<value>view</value>

<value>edit</value>

</choice>

</attribute>

</optional>

<oneOrMore>

<ref name="file-entry"/>

</oneOrMore>

</element>

</define>

The description can be: The attribute "manifest:shortcut-open-mode" specifies that applications will open the document directly from the operating system shell with "view" mode or "edit" mode by a shortcut way, e.g. double-click the document or select the document and press Enter key.

Pls correct me if I understand wrongly. And now I have 2 questions:

(1) Anyone can suggest other open mode besides "view" and "edit"?

(2) I can not find the chapter "17 Packages" and the manifest definitions in OpenDocument v1.2 Draft 6. Does anyone know this is a literature missing or there has some big changes about packages since ODF 1.2?

Thanks.

Best Regards,

Mingfei Jia()
IBM Lotus Symphony Development
IBM China Software Development LAB, Beijing
Tel: 86-10-82782244-2493 Fax: 86-10-62982924
NOTES:Ming Fei Jia/China/IBM E-mail: jiamingf@cn.ibm.com
Address: 4/F, DeShi Building No.9, East Road, ShangDi, Haidian District, Beijing 100085, PRC
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Re: [office] auto-play presentation file format like PPS Ming Fei Jia

Ming Fei Jia

to:

Bob Jolliffe

2008-03-22 19:31


Cc:

office




Thanks Bob, we can define the schema in 2.2.3 Presentation Documents(ODF 1.2 draft 6).
The original definition is:

<define name="office-body-content" combine="choice">
<element name="office:presentation">
<ref name="office-presentation-attlist"/>
<ref name="office-presentation-content-prelude"/>
<ref name="office-presentation-content-main"/>
<ref name="office-presentation-content-epilogue"/>
</element>
</define>

<define name="office-presentation-attlist">
<empty/>
</define>

To support presentation auto-play choice, add the attribute "presentation:auto-play" to the element "office-presentation-attlist" as below:

<define name="office-presentation-attlist">
<optional>
<attribute name="presentation:auto-play" a:defaultValue="false">
<ref name="boolean"/>
</attribute>
</optional>
</define>

The description can be: The attribute "presentation:auto-play" specifies applications will open the presentation file directly from the operating system shell with auto-play slide mode or edit mode.

The "directly from the operating system shell" means this attribute only works for the scenarios like user double-click the file or select-enter the file from Explorer in Windows or other OS shell. The purpose of adding this restriction is for that applications can open the presentation file with "edit" mode by selecting "File->Open" menu explictly although the "presentation:auto-play" is true. Welcome anyone suggests a good description for this meaning.

Also, if the open mode number is more than 2 (play and edit), we can define a value set to choose in XML schema. Currently I don't know any other open mode.


Mingfei Jia()
IBM Lotus Symphony Development
IBM China Software Development LAB, Beijing
Tel: 86-10-82782244-2493 Fax: 86-10-62982924
NOTES:Ming Fei Jia/China/IBM E-mail: jiamingf@cn.ibm.com
Address: 4/F, DeShi Building No.9, East Road, ShangDi, Haidian District, Beijing 100085, PRC
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Re: [office] auto-play presentation file format like PPS

Bob Jolliffe

to:

office

2008-03-17 21:36

Please respond to Bob Jolliffe <bobj@dst.gov.za>





I think Rob's suggestion of a flag in the XML ( along the lines of onOpen="Play"|"Edit" ) makes sense on this.

Regards
Bob

----- Original Message -----
From: "robert weir" <robert_weir@us.ibm.com>
To: "Ming Fei Jia" <jiamingf@cn.ibm.com>
Cc: office@lists.oasis-open.org
Sent: 17 March 2008 03:15:56 PM
Subject: Re: [office] auto-play presentation file format like PPS


Hi Mingfei,

I think a PPS file is identical to a PPT file inside. The only difference is in the file extension. This tells the application to run PowerPoint directly in play mode rather than edit mode.

If we want to have the same behavior we could do this as a file extension, or as a boolean flag in the document.

Looking at Microsoft support notes like :
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/326736 it appears that their file extension approach has caused Microsoft some problems.

So I wonder if a flag in the XML would be a better solution?

-Rob



Ming Fei Jia <jiamingf@cn.ibm.com>

03/17/2008 05:47 AM
To office@lists.oasis-open.org

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Subject [office] auto-play presentation file format like PPS




Dear TC members,

I can not find the definition in ODF 1.2 draft 6 about auto-play presentation file format,just like Microsoft PPS format. If we really have not defined it yet, I propose to define it in ODF 1.2 since the requirement of presentation auto-play is obvious for many users. We need to discuss the feasiblity and the solution in this loop. The contents can be:
(1) The extension name of auto-play presentation file format, e.g. ODPP or anything that makes sense;
(2) The auto-play presentation file wraps .odp file as an auto-play file when user double-click on the file;
(3) XML schema definition for the auto-play presentation file if any;
(4) Explanation for the implementation in vendor products.
......

Welcome any comments!


Best Regards,

Mingfei Jia()
IBM Lotus Symphony Development
IBM China Software Development LAB, Beijing
Tel: 86-10-82782244-2493 Fax: 86-10-62982924
NOTES:Ming Fei Jia/China/IBM E-mail: jiamingf@cn.ibm.com
Address: 4/F, DeShi Building No.9, East Road, ShangDi, Haidian District, Beijing 100085, PRC

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