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Subject: Re: [office] auto-play presentation file format like PPS - MIME typeparameter


Thanks Warren, please see my comments in <jmf> tag.

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Re: [office] auto-play presentation file format like PPS - MIME type parameter

Warren Turkal

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Ming Fei Jia

2008-04-12 01:46


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These ideas could be stated more generally as the following two ideas.

1) We want to define a preferred view for the doc.
2) We want to include configuration information for that preferred view.

For (1), I like having the default view reflected in the mimetype.
However, do seems to require a backward-hostile change of adding a
mimetype option that may not be allowed by the current standard. I
don't think that we should blindside implementers with such a change.
Having said all that, I think it makes sense to add the preferred view
into the manifest.xml in any case.


<jmf>Yes, this is consistent with what we are doing now. Thanks clarify it.</jmf>

For (2), the configuration storage for types of different preferred
views should not be a static one-size-fit-all type of solution. I
personally think that we should only define the semantics for autoplay
presentations, read-only, and edit views in this version unless there
is a strong consensus on what configuration for other view types
should look like. This type of configuration probably belongs in
settings.xml.

Both of these concepts should be easily extendable for new and
creative uses of preferred views.

As an extension (2), it would probably be useful to store
configurations for views that are not necessarily preferred so that
someone could open the file in the other views and still get
appropriate configurations for those views. Given this idea, I don't
think that the configuration should be marked as preferred in
settings.xml. Just let the manifest.xml do that stuff.

<jmf>This is just what I am feeling, that I want to define 3 values in manifest.xml to be chose,"edit","play" and "view". And "view"  is too general, should be changed to "readonly", if any other concrete view mode is preferred in the future, we can extend the choice value. Default is "edit". I'll update the proposal soon. Thanks.</jmf>

Later,
wt

2008/4/10 Ming Fei Jia <jiamingf@cn.ibm.com>:
>
>
> Hi Warren,
>
>  What my initial idea to raise this proposal include 2 aspects: one is the
> user scenario, that users can launch the Presentation application directly
> from OS shell just like launch PPS file, this may be why I prefer to call it
> "shortcut"; the other is the open mode, that is auto-play or not. During
> this period of discussion, especially some good suggestions from
> Rob,Bob,David,Eike,Warren and anyone else(sorry if I missed), we all
> preferred to extend the view mode to apply to general applications, not
> limited to Presentation, as well as define the view mode in the manifest
> file with MIME type. Actually, I don't much care about what the option name
> is, more over, "preferred view" makes sense for me either. So welcome your
> good suggestion, thanks.
>
>  BTW, in detail, I always feel my previous proposal lacks something, and not
> so comfortable. I think maybe it is better to separate "auto-play" from the
> "view" mode because "auto-play" is a special animation effect, instead of
> general read-only contents. For example, we can define an attribute
> "preferred-view", and this attribute can have 3 values to choose:
> "edit","play" and "view". The "view" now is just a to-be-done value that can
> be extended if some concrete view mode is preferred in the future. Does
> everyone have comments for this? Thanks.
>
>
>  Best Regards,
>
>  Mingfei Jia()
>  IBM Lotus Symphony Development
>  IBM China Software Development LAB, Beijing
>  Tel: 86-10-82782244-2493 Fax: 86-10-62982924
>  
NOTES:Ming Fei Jia/China/IBM E-mail: jiamingf@cn.ibm.com
>  Address: 4/F, DeShi Building No.9, East Road, ShangDi, Haidian District,
> Beijing 100085, PRC
>
>  "Warren Turkal" ---04/09/2008 03:15:35 AM---2008/4/7 Ming Fei Jia
> <jiamingf@cn.ibm.com>:
>
>
>
>  From:
>  "Warren Turkal" <turkal@google.com>
>
>  To:
>  Ming Fei Jia/China/IBM@IBMCN
>
>  Cc:
>  office@lists.oasis-open.org
>
>  Date:
>  04/09/2008 03:15 AM
>
>  Subject:
>
>  Re: [office] auto-play presentation file format like PPS - MIME type
> parameter ________________________________
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>
>
>
>  2008/4/7 Ming Fei Jia <jiamingf@cn.ibm.com>:
>  >  See my another mail in this loop. I prefer to call option name
>  > "shortcut-open-mode" since this attribute should be restricted in the
>  > scenario that user double-click or select/enter the document directly
> from
>  > OS shell, otherwise, it seems no real meaning. Thanks.
>
>  Shortcut-open-mode makes no sense to me. What we are really asking for
>  is a preferred view of the data. That's why I suggested that name.
>  Shortcut open mode seems to evoke terminology from Windows for a
>  concept that is similar to a symlink on Unix. Preferred view is very
>  generic and really describe the concept much better.
>
>  wt
>
>

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