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Subject: Re: [office] Microsoft ODF workshop

Doug, Rob,

Thank you for your answers. It obviously clarifies a lot of points.  
I'm looking forward attending the virtual conference if that can be  


Charles-H. Schulz.

Le 24 juin 08 à 01:55, robert_weir@us.ibm.com a écrit :

> Thanks, Doug for that invitation and the additional information.
> I have received a note asking me why the TC was holding a meeting in  
> Redmond and suggesting that doing so would be discriminatory to  
> those who must  pay for their own travel, etc.  So I just want to  
> clarify, that this is not an official ODF TC meeting that is being  
> proposed.   Microsoft is inviting you, as individuals to attend  
> their ODF event.  There is nothing wrong with that.  We (IBM) have  
> discussed ODF at our Lotusphere convention, Sun (and others) talk  
> about ODF at OpenOffice.org, etc.  There is absolutely nothing wrong  
> with talking about ODF at your own corporate or organizational event.
> Indeed I hope you all talk about ODF at every opportunity.  It is  
> something you should be talking about.  Spread the word.
> -Rob
> Doug Mahugh <Doug.Mahugh@microsoft.com>
> 06/23/2008 05:41 PM
> To
> "Charles-H. Schulz" <charles-h.schulz@arsaperta.com>, "office@lists.oasis-open.org 
> " <office@lists.oasis-open.org>
> cc
> Subject
> RE: [office] Microsoft ODF workshop
> Hi Charles,
> The short answer to why this event is in Redmond is "that's where  
> our ODF developers are."  We've received many questions recently  
> about details of our planned ODF support, and we decided it would be  
> good to have an event where we could explain our plans, show some  
> pre-release code, and give people a chance to talk to the dev team  
> about how we're approaching ODF support.  The only realistic way to  
> do that is in Redmond, since that's where the dev/PM people are  
> located.  It would be difficult to find a time when they could all  
> be in another location (probably impossible until the next version  
> of Office is close to shipping), so this Redmond event is the only  
> way we can give everyone direct access to the people actually doing  
> our ODF implementation work.
> Regarding the invitation to the ODF TC, that was my idea.  I thought  
> some might find it odd if we had an ODF-related event and didn't  
> start by inviting the TC, and I wanted to make sure that everyone  
> here knows they're welcome to attend if they're interested in  
> learning more about our implementation.  We certainly weren't trying  
> to gather the OASIS TC specifically -- I and others at Microsoft  
> will be reaching out to others who have expressed an interest as  
> well, but we started here.
> Regarding Bruce's question on allowing virtual participation, I'm  
> looking into some options for that and will share info when I have it.
> Regards,
> Doug
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Charles-H. Schulz [mailto:charles-h.schulz@arsaperta.com]
> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 5:44 AM
> To: Doug Mahugh; office@lists.oasis-open.org
> Subject: Re: [office] Microsoft ODF workshop
> Dear Doug,
> Le 23 juin 08 à 03:45, Doug Mahugh a écrit :
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > As you know, Microsoft has recently announced support for ODF in the
> > next service pack for Office (SP2 for Office 2007, expected to be
> > released in the first half of 2009).  In conjunction with that
> > announcement, we would like to invite all members of the OASIS
> > OpenDocument Format TC and subcommittees to a 1-day DII workshop on
> > how Office will support ODF.  The workshop will take place on
> > Wednesday, July 30, 2008 in Redmond, Washington.
> >
> > This event will be an opportunity for you to see an early
> > demonstration of our ODF support, meet members of the Office PM/dev
> > teams responsible for ODF support, and hear how we're looking at
> > document format interoperability in general.  We're looking forward
> > to the opportunity to get to know each of you and to learn about
> > your view of these issues, and the day will include plenty of
> > unstructured discussion time for those purposes.
> >
> > The Forum will be an all-day event on the Microsoft campus in
> > Redmond, followed by a hosted dinner event at a nearby location.
> > We're still working out the details of the day, but it will include
> > three general types of activities:
> >
> > - Presentations from members of the Office product team, to explain
> > our approach to ODF support and demonstrate some of the specific
> > functionality we're planning.
> > - Hands-on lab time, to give you an opportunity to try out a pre-
> > release version of our ODF  support.
> > - Discussion time, so that we can hear your feedback on topics of
> > interest to document format implementers.
> >
> > If you are interested in attending, please let me know by June 30th
> > by sending email to dmahugh@microsoft.com.  We will have limited
> > space, so I wanted to extend this invitation to the ODF TC members
> > first so that we can accommodate as many of you as would like to
> > attend.  We will provide additional information regarding logistics,
> > local hotels, etc to confirmed attendees.
> >
> > This event will provide a unique opportunity to see firsthand how
> > Microsoft is planning to implement ODF support in Office, and we
> > hope that you will be able to join us.  If you have any questions or
> > need additional information, please let me know.
> >
> Thank you for this invitation. I have to say I have some trouble
> understanding why you would like to gather the OASIS TC in Redmond. It
> seems to me a bit cumbersome, and a bit bizarre to invite everyone
> here in Redmond as if nothing had ever happened before. Perhaps, as
> some would put it, "it's a bit too early for that". Besides, I'm sure
> we can have that event anywhere else . As you may know, the OASIS ODF
> TC (together with its subcommittees and the OASIS ODF Adoption TC)
> runs several panels and conferences worldwide. The next one, if I am
> not mistaken, will take place in Beijing during the ODF Track at the
> OpenOffice.org Conference. It is scheduled to take place around
> October-November 2008.
> This ODF track is independent from the OpenOffice.org Conference as
> several different and competing vendors attend this conference track.
> We would really appreciate to have you and the Microsoft Office team
> there.
> I hope you understand my reaction to your invitation but please rest
> assured that I really appreciate it. That being said, I only express
> myself on the behalf of my company, Ars Aperta, (mostly four French
> guys in a garage) and my views may not represent the ones of the whole
> Best Regards,
> Charles-H. Schulz
> Associé / Founding Partner,
> Ars Aperta

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