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Subject: Re: [office] Re: [office-accessibility] Re: [office] Re:[office-accessibility] radio buttons wrap-up

Hi Rich,

On 12/05/08 00:28, Richard Schwerdtfeger wrote:
> We are ignoring another problem here which has to do with actually 
> labelling the group. Today,
> ODF allows you to express labels for individual controls as it takes a 
> form id. So potentially,
> you can ODF markup which labels members of a group or not. So, it is 
> insufficient to just mark
> each radio button with the group they belong to. For accessibility you 
> want to be able to group elements
> and label the group.  It seems to easy to fall into the weeds of 
> labelling controls that are part of a group and those that are not.

Isn't <form:frame> what we have for this purpose?

Actually, I think we have to differ between grouping controls logically, 
  and something that allows us to specify the "1 out of n" relation of 
radio buttons. Both a different topics, and I would not want to mix them.

> Also, why would there not be a group concept for other things like radio 
> buttons. I can imagine a form where a set of
> checkboxes are related to an operation and could be grouped semantically.
> <form:form form:name="Standard" >
> <form:fixed-text form:name="LabelField1" form:for="foo" 
> form:label="LABEL 1" />
> <xform:group id="foo">
> <form:checkbox>
> ...
> </xform:group>
> You could then make statements on radio buttons as members of the group 
> where they can only be single select radios.

To be honest, I don't understand this example. Can you please provide 
some more details.

Best regards

Michael Brauer, Technical Architect Software Engineering
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