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Subject: Re: [office] <style:default-style>, <style:default-page-layout>
On 04/14/09 23:41, robert_weir@us.ibm.com wrote: > If you define the attributes for a default style then you will need to > make a specific statement about many locale dependent items such as text > direction, decimal separators, even typeface. Locales that use the > defaults stated by the standard will then be able to have more concise > markup, since they could assume the defaults. And locales that differ > from the defaults would require more verbose markup since they would need > to override those defaults 100% of the time. I agree. And in fact, even in OpenOffice.org, there is no single universal default style, but the default style is generated based on locale information. Further, the user has the option to specify some of these defaults manually. Which is to say that I'm in favor of keeping the default styles implementation dependent. Michael > > I think that is why standards like HTML have avoided defining default text > styles. > > I'm not saying it can't be done and even have some value. But specifying > such defaults will inherently prefer one set of locale conventions over > another, which seems unpolitic. > > On the other hand, perhaps this matters less with ODF since it is rarely > hand authored, unlike HTML. > > -Rob > > > Patrick Durusau <patrick@durusau.net> wrote on 04/14/2009 11:28:54 AM: > >> Greetings! >> >> Oliver replied to my editorial notes on these items saying that any ODF >> application would define its own default styles. >> >> See: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/office/200903/msg00019.html >> >> While I can understand why any ODF application should be allowed to >> define its own default styles, I don't think that answers the question >> of whether ODF 1.2 should define a set of default styles. >> >> Although we as technical types probably take a more abstract view of the > >> notion of "interchange," I suspect that users are more clued into the >> visual presentation of a document as representing successful, or not, >> interchange. >> >> That is to say that if a page is by default formatted noticeably >> different from one ODF application to another, users are going to have >> the impression that interchange, at least as they understand the term, >> isn't a feature of ODF. >> >> Granted I don't have a magic ruler than says how much presentational >> fidelity is necessary to meet the expectations of users but suspect >> there is enough experience among some of the software vendors who are >> supporters of ODF to make an attempt at documenting a default set of >> styles for ODF applications. Which they are free to depart from if they >> so choose but that will offer some minimal fidelity between ODF >> applications. >> >> Options: >> >> 1) Default styles are defined in ODF 1.2. >> >> 2) Default styles are defined in ODF-Next. >> >> 3) Default styles are never defined, always application dependent. >> >> I think my preference is pretty clear but this really needs to be a TC >> decision one way or the other. >> >> Hope everyone is having a great day! >> >> Patrick >> >> -- >> Patrick Durusau >> patrick@durusau.net >> Chair, V1 - US TAG to JTC 1/SC 34 >> Convener, JTC 1/SC 34/WG 3 (Topic Maps) >> Editor, OpenDocument Format TC (OASIS), Project Editor ISO/IEC 26300 >> Co-Editor, ISO/IEC 13250-1, 13250-5 (Topic Maps) >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from this mail list, you must leave the OASIS TC that >> generates this mail. Follow this link to all your TCs in OASIS at: >> https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/portal/my_workgroups.php >> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from this mail list, you must leave the OASIS TC that > generates this mail. Follow this link to all your TCs in OASIS at: > https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/portal/my_workgroups.php > -- Michael Brauer, Technical Architect Software Engineering StarOffice/OpenOffice.org Sun Microsystems GmbH Nagelsweg 55 D-20097 Hamburg, Germany michael.brauer@sun.com http://sun.com/staroffice +49 40 23646 500 http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS Sitz der Gesellschaft: Sun Microsystems GmbH, Sonnenallee 1, D-85551 Kirchheim-Heimstetten Amtsgericht Muenchen: HRB 161028 Geschaeftsfuehrer: Thomas Schroeder, Wolfgang Engels, Dr. Roland Boemer Vorsitzender des Aufsichtsrates: Martin Haering
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