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Subject: RE: Re: [office] <style:default-style>, <style:default-page-layout>

I'm having trouble getting my head around this sudden willingness to have
implementation-dependent default styles and figuring out if that leaves any
prospect of broad interoperability at all.

I despair at figuring this out from the specification, so maybe it is a
matter of implementation practice.

Here are my questions, in the hope that there is an easy well-known answer
to those who are steeped in this aspect of the specification:

1. Once a document is created, are all styles that the document depends on
made explicit in the generated document or do default dependencies remain? 

2. If default dependencies remain, if the document is consumed by an
implementation that has different defaults, isn't there a risk of unintended
consequences and discrepancy between what the creator had in mind and what
the consumer sees?  (If the originally-generated document was digitally
signed, this gets even more exciting.)

3. Is the answer to (1) determined by the specification or is that itself

 - Dennis

-----Original Message-----
From: Jomar Silva [mailto:jomar.silva@br.odfalliance.org] 
Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 05:48
To: office@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: Res: Re: [office] <style:default-style>,

------Mensagem original------
De: Oliver-Rainer Wittmann - Software Engineer - Sun Microsystems
Assunto: Re: [office] <style:default-style>, <style:default-page-layout>
Enviada em: Abr 16, 2009 09:41


Michael Brauer - Sun Germany - ham02 - Hamburg wrote:
> On 04/14/09 23:41, robert_weir@us.ibm.com wrote:
>> If you define the attributes for a default style then you will need to 
>> make a specific statement about many locale dependent items such as 
>> text direction, decimal separators, even typeface.  Locales that use 
>> the defaults stated by the standard will then be able to have more 
>> concise markup, since they could assume the defaults.  And locales 
>> that differ from the defaults would require more verbose markup since 
>> they would need to override those defaults 100% of the time.
> I agree. And in fact, even in OpenOffice.org, there is no single 
> universal default style, but the default style is generated based on 
> locale information. Further, the user has the option to specify some of 
> these defaults manually.
> Which is to say that I'm in favor of keeping the default styles 
> implementation dependent.

I agree to Rob's and Michael's opinion.

Best regards, Oliver.

P.S.: We have proposal "Add default values" - 
http://wiki.oasis-open.org/office/Add_default_values - in progress in 
order to define at least a part of default values for certain attributes

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