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Subject: [OASIS Issue Tracker] Commented: (OFFICE-1818) ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC 34N 1078 : DEFECT REPORT NUMBER JP2-27



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Dennis Hamilton commented on OFFICE-1818:
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I DO NOT BELIEVE THIS ISSUE IS RESOLVED OR FIXED.

I think the preceding comment by Andreas is very important.

Here is what I understand as (one notiion of) measure lines after looking around and following the ad hoc discussion.

Consider some shape (a drawing figure of some kind).   Consider some two points on the figure that we might wish to show a measure for (in some dimensions.  In US drafting and architectural drawings these are referred to as dimension lines).  

Example 1: A cross-section of a mechanical assembly in which we see a cross-section (or even 3-dimensional renderiong) of a shaft.  We want to indicate the diameter of the shaft, with dimensions, perhaps even tolerances.

1.1 Find two convenient points on the cross-section that are at the intersection of a diameter line with the circumference of the shaft.  

1.2 Extend two parallel lines from those convenient points in some appropriate direction that reaches an open area where a legend line is to be place.

1.3 Somewhere at the point of extension of the two parallel lines, draw an intersecting line that is perpendicular to the two parallels and intersecting them both.

1.4 An inside measure line is usually show between the two parallels (that is, it projects onto the diameter through the shaft section, in this example).

1.5 An outside measure line is usually shown as line segments outside of the two parallels with nothing between, but still parallel with the diameter that locates the start of the parallel lines).  This often happens when the parallel lines are close together and there is not room for arrows and legend between them on the measure line.

1.6 The measure-line segments may have arrow-heads where they intersect the parallel lines.

1.7 Someplace along the baseline that matches the measure-line, there may be dimensional information (e.g., 1.5cm, 2.0", that sort of thing).

2. A more-common example in my experience has to do with floor plans that give dimensions (measures) of doorway openings, window openings, fixtures located on the plan, etc.  Wall thicknesses are often shown with the outer-form, window openings with the inner-form.  

3. I suppose one can place measure lines on maps, aerial photographs, photomicrographs, and other images where annotation by dimensions and distances/lengths matter.

4. There are many variations.  For example, to specify the inside dimensions of a pipe in cross-section or 3-d (isometric) view, one might do things quite differently.

I SPECULATE THAT THIS IS ONE POSSIBLE WAY THAT MEASURE LINES ARE MEANT HERE.  It accounts for some of the other elements that are involved.

IS THERE ANY IMPLEMENTATION OF THIS  FUNCTIONALITY THAT WE SHOULD TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION AS A BASIS FOR ABSTRACTING THIS FEATURE SO THAT THE SPEC. IS WELL-DEFINED?  ARE THERE DRAFTING/DRAWING NOMENCLATURE DOCUMENTS THAT APPLY TO THIS ART THAT WE CAN REFERENCE?

I believe that the defect report is accurate and there needs to be some sort of nomenclature definition and illustration using figures.

> ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC 34 N 1078 : DEFECT REPORT NUMBER 	JP2-27
> ---------------------------------------------------------
>
>                 Key: OFFICE-1818
>                 URL: http://tools.oasis-open.org/issues/browse/OFFICE-1818
>             Project: OASIS Open Document Format for Office Applications (OpenDocument) TC
>          Issue Type: Bug
>    Affects Versions: ODF 1.0 (second edition)
>            Reporter: Robert Weir 
>            Assignee: Patrick Durusau
>             Fix For: ODF 1.0 Errata 02
>
>
> Transcribed from http://www.itscj.ipsj.or.jp/sc34/open/1078.htm
> Original author: "MURATA Makoto (FAMILY Given)" <eb2m-mrt@asahi-net.or.jp>
> DEFECT REPORT NUMBER 	JP2-27
> QUALIFIER 	clarification required
> REFERENCES IN DOCUMENT 	Clause 9.2.11
> NATURE OF DEFECT 	
> This clause fails to define what is a measure line.
> The only way to understand this paragraph is to invoke OpenOffice.org and see its measure lines. Such descriptions would be acceptable if they appeared in manuals of OpenOffice.org. But standards should make clear what is meant without relying on commercial implementations.
> SOLUTION PROPOSED BY THE SUBMITTER 	Specify shapes of measure lines with diagrams.

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