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Subject: Re: [odf-adoption] ODF Next Workshop (plus) for fall 2011 Netherlands
On 2011-05-18, at 11:55 , Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: > Charles, > > I agree with Louis. We are talking about ODF, not specific implementations or shared code bases. Also, this is not a major conference but a specialized technical workshop. Actually Steve and I and Rob, too, want this to be something more than technical but to include those whose business interests include ODF or ought to. My original message reflected that. > The ODF TC is also exploring having OASIS sponsorship and having it be possible for contributions to ODF to be presented under the ODF contribution IP conditions. (This is all pretty speculative at this point.) I think it will be great to have participation of LibreOffice experts, and locating in Europe should encourage that. (It just occurred for me that some degree of alignment on approach to implementation notes would be a worthwhile discussion at such a conference and/or at a plugfest as well.) > > Louis, > > Why not co-locate with the ODF Plugfest that Michiel is planning? Tradition seems to be to have Plugfests on Thursday-Friday, leaving earlier days of the same week for an ODF-Next conference. Even though it might not be possible to share the same venue, if they are close enough to each other it would help a great deal for those who travel far for such events. I still intend to manage to get to one of these myself. October might actually work. > > [I fear we might run up against the OASIS International Cloud Symposium in Slough, England, October 10-14. We don't overlap in subject matter, but with regard to OASIS attention I suspect it will be on the Symposium.] > > - Dennis > > PS: Where is the odf-interop-tech@list.oasis-open.org list managed? That list somehow escaped my attention. It sounds like something the ODF Interoperability and Conformance TC should be aware of. I sent the original call using the wrong alias. I also sent it and resent it today to ODF adoption, ODF OIC, ODF TC. So, the whole bloody lot of ODF zealots should be aware of the damn thing by now :-) Cheers Louis > > -----Original Message----- > From: Louis Suárez-Potts [mailto:luispo@gmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2011 07:36 > To: odf-adoption > Cc: odf-interop-tech@lists.oasis-open.org; office@lists.oasis-open.org; Michiel Leenaars; Arthur Bujis > Subject: Re: [odf-adoption] ODF Next Workshop (plus) for fall 2011 Netherlands > > Charles, > > On 2011-05-18, at 12:33 , Charles-H. Schulz wrote: > >> Hello Louis, >> >> I'm afraid your proposal conflicts with the LibreOffice conference as >> I had had the opportunity to point out many times already. Please >> choose another date which won't be in September, October or November . >> >> Thank you, >> >> Charles. >> > > Sorry, the issue here is not whether we satisfy the concerns of LibreOffice, which is but a vendor (effectively) distributing an implementation of the ODF but the interests of ODF contributing bodies. > > During the TC meeting where this idea was proposed initially by Steve Pemberton—not just me—I did raise the concern about intersecting with already scheduled meetings and did raise the option of working with the LibreOffice people should there be no other option. But there are. And this is not about LibreOffice, and it is about ODF. > > If you wish to contribute to the planning, please consider participating in the proposed call. > > Louis > > PS this discussion is not about Oracle and LibreOffice nor about OpenOffice.org and LibreOffice, nor about LibreOffice at all. It is about ODF. > > >> >> Le Wed, 18 May 2011 10:14:45 -0400, >> Louis Suárez-Potts <luispo@gmail.com> a écrit : >> >>> >>> During the ODF TC call today, Steve Pemberton proposed a workshop on >>> ODF Next for this fall, to be held in Amsterdam and for a more >>> general audience. He volunteered to help organize it. >>> >>> ** Conference call this week: If possible, let's have a conference >>> call later this week to discuss the proposals below. >>> >>> WHEN: THURSDAY, 15:00 UTC >>> >>> Or. so. My reason for sooner than later has to do with the need to >>> plan the event—surely more than Steve envisioned!—and to act >>> initially, at least, before the US Memorial Day holiday at the end of >>> May. >>> >>> >>> **Proposal** >>> >>> Steve's proposal was met with considerable interest and zero >>> disapproval. It was proposed further that the relevant ODF TCs >>> (Adoption, in particular) be enmeshed in discussions on this—as well, >>> to bring in Michiel and Arthur, also of the Netherlands. Michiel had >>> previously indicated that his group was organizing a plugfest for >>> late October. >>> >>> I would like to propose a conference call to plan this event. The >>> issues are: >>> >>> * Exactly when? There are a few issues, such as the LibreOffice >>> meeting, in Paris, that will have a section focused on ODF. When we >>> previously proposed an ODF 5th anniversary conference—also to work >>> with Michiel's plugfest—LibreOffice objected, as the timing, >>> LibreOffice believed, would distract from their event. However, it >>> was also argued that it's better to have an ODF event that is not >>> branded at all by one vendor or project but utterly neutral, and the >>> Netherlands plugfest, and now workshop proposal, satisfies that >>> desire. >>> >>> I would thus propose this, if possible, for sometime in mid-September >>> or even a little later (OpenWorld Forum, a popular event also in >>> Paris, is 22-24 September.) >>> >>> * Audience? Steve suggested both technical and not, and I would >>> agree. I think we need to achieve a couple of things, besides the >>> important one of working on ODF Next: persuading non-developers that >>> there is and will continue to be a relevance to ODF, and that it is >>> something to which they ought to contribute resources, as well as >>> attention. >>> >>> * Duration? I would suggest three days. One day for technical >>> workshops (or 1.5 days, perhaps); the remainder for more general >>> discussions on ODF Next, implementations (absolutely unprejudiced >>> representation of vendor's wares), and related technologies and >>> opportunities gained by using ODF. >>> >>> * Processes: Patrick D. suggested formalizing the process of paper >>> submission Oasis-wide, and it would affect (positively) this event. >>> We are considering, I believe, inviting submissions and participation >>> from non-Oasis members as well as members. >>> >>> * Funding: I think we may have the opportunity of working with >>> established corporate sponsors and supporters of ODF, but also with >>> the national government and even, plausibly, with EU gov't. >>> >>> I would also like to see if can invite more than Oasis members to the >>> planning of this, and that means Basil's UK group, as well as others. >>> (They may use plugtest organizers list.) >>> >>> >>> I'm sure I've a) forgotten to include key persons and b) key data; >>> please don't hesitate to fill in the lacunae. >>> >>> -louis >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ---- >>> >>> Louis Suarez-Potts, PhD >>> Community Manager >>> Chair, Community Council >>> OpenOffice.org >>> >>> Time Zone, −0400 UTC >>> +1.416.531.9513 (landline) >>> +1.416.625.3843 (mobile) >>> >>> AIM: luispo@mac.com >>> GTalk: luispo@gmail.com >>> Skype: louisiam >>> Jabber: luispo@jabber.org >>> Blog: http://ooo-speak.blogspot.com/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from this mail list, you must leave the OASIS TC that >>> generates this mail. Follow this link to all your TCs in OASIS at: >>> https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/portal/my_workgroups.ph >>> p >>> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Charles-H. Schulz >> Associé / Founding Partner >> Ars Aperta. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from this mail list, you must leave the OASIS TC that > generates this mail. Follow this link to all your TCs in OASIS at: > https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/portal/my_workgroups.php >
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