Re: [office] Continued Lists

[Oliver-Rainer Wittmann <ORWITT@de.ibm.com>]

Hi,

if there is demand for it, I will be prepared for it.
I except that there are further questions which want to be answered.
I assume that there is no need to give a presentation about the
corresponding proposal.
Right?

Mit freundlichen Grüßen / Best regards
Oliver-Rainer Wittmann

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From:	robert_weir@us.ibm.com
To:	Oliver-Rainer Wittmann/Germany/IBM@IBMDE
Cc:	office@lists.oasis-open.org
Date:	21.03.2012 03:20
Subject:	Re: [office] Continued Lists
Sent by:	<office@lists.oasis-open.org>



Hi Oliver,   if I put this on the agenda for next week can you talk about
this?  We can discuss for maybe 15 minutes?

-Rob

<office@lists.oasis-open.org> wrote on 03/16/2012 07:22:26 AM:

> From: Oliver-Rainer Wittmann <ORWITT@de.ibm.com>
> To: office@lists.oasis-open.org,
> Date: 03/16/2012 07:23 AM
> Subject: Re: [office] Continued Lists
> Sent by: <office@lists.oasis-open.org>
>
> Hi,
>
> sorry for the late response and that I did not fullfill my promise - the
> last days were quite busy.
>
> May be you should have a look at the proposal text which brought
attribute
> text:continue-list into ODF 1.2 [1]
> Here is a quote from this proposal text regarding attribute
> text:continue-list:
> <quote>
> The purpose of these new attributes is to continue the numbering of an
> arbitrary preceding list regardless of the applied list styles. It also
> ensures that lists in <text:numbered-paragraph> representation can also
> better be modeled in the <text:list> representation.
> These new attributes should be optional and are only valid for top-level
> <text:list> elements. It should be used in favor of the existing
> text:continue-numbering attribute that has the limitations described
below.
> </quote>
>
> What is missing in the specification is that text:continue-list is only
> valid for top-level <text:list> elements. This was in the proposal text,
> but somehow got lost.
>
> What is also missing is that the attribute text:continue-list shall only
> refer a top-level <text:list> element. The proposed attribute text:id was
> replace by xml:id, but somehow the previously mentioned wording got lost.
>
> Thus, this attribute shall only connect to top-level <text:list> elements
> together in order to form more or less one list. With is esp. used, when
a
> list is spread through certain table cells.
>
> Another important reason for this attribute and the corresponding xml:id
> was to clarify the transformation between the alternative approaches to
> represent lists in ODF - <text:list> together with <text:list-item> vs.
> <text:numbered-paragraph>
>
> For <text:numbered-paragraph> mandatory attribute <text:list-id> has been
> proposed and integrated into ODF 1.2.
>
>
> [1]
> http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/23418/07-04-05-
> proposal-lists.odt
>  found on proposal list in our wiki [2]
> [2] http://wiki.oasis-open.org/office/List_of_Proposals
>
>
> Mit freundlichen Grüßen / Best regards
> Oliver-Rainer Wittmann
>
> --
> Advisory Software Engineer
>
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>
> IBM Deutschland
> Beim Strohhause 17
> 20097 Hamburg
> Phone: +49-40-6389-1415
> E-Mail: orwitt@de.ibm.com
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>
> IBM Deutschland Research & Development GmbH / Vorsitzende des
> Aufsichtsrats: Martina Koederitz
> Geschäftsführung: Dirk Wittkopp
> Sitz der Gesellschaft: Böblingen / Registergericht: Amtsgericht
Stuttgart,
> HRB 243294
>
>
>
> From:   Svante Schubert <svante.schubert@gmail.com>
> To:   office@lists.oasis-open.org
> Date:   29.02.2012 14:47
> Subject:   [office] Continued Lists
> Sent by:   <office@lists.oasis-open.org>
>
>
>
> I got a question in regard of the @text:continue-list attribute:
> http://docs.oasis-open.org/office/v1.2/os/OpenDocument-v1.2-os-
> part1.html#attribute-text_continue-list
>
>
> It is obvious that this attribute connects two (or more) lists elements
> within a document, where the following list has the @text:continue-list
> attribute referencing to the previous list.
> From my understanding those lists are not equal to one list, which embeds
> all the in between content, because:
>    1.   The ODF 1.2 schema only allows paragraphs, headings, soft-page
breaks
>       and (nested) lists within a list. The in between content may be
>       arbitrary.
>    2.   The usual indent of list content is likely not to apply to the in
>       between content (unspecified - what is the user expectation?)
>
>
> What puzzles me, is the spec is not precise in regard of
>    1.   @text:continue-list only allowing an xml:id of a list, that has
the
>       same nested/indent level as the referenced list
>    2.   What happens if one of both list's list item are
increased/decreased
>       in list level?
>
>
> Can someone remember the use case for this feature and/or reference to
the
> discussion?
> Does this feature exists as well in other formats?
>
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Svante
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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