Re: [office] Open Document Format TC meeting minutes 2012-08-13 (corrected once)

[robert_weir@us.ibm.com]

<office@lists.oasis-open.org> wrote on 09/18/2012
02:01:55 AM:

> From: "C. Boemann" <cbo@boemann.dk>
> To: office@lists.oasis-open.org, 
> Date: 09/18/2012 02:02 AM
> Subject: Re: [office] Open Document Format TC
meeting minutes 
> 2012-08-13 (corrected once)
> Sent by: <office@lists.oasis-open.org>
> 
> On Tuesday 18 September 2012 05:59:39 Louis Suárez-Potts wrote:
> > Camilla,
> > 
> > On 12-09-17, at 03:57 , C. Boemann <cbo@boemann.dk> wrote:
> > > On Monday 17 September 2012 09:47:56 Andreas J. Guelzow
wrote:
> > >> On Mon, 2012-09-17 at 01:41 -0600, C. Boemann wrote:
> > >>> Uhm I sent my regrets for that meeting over a month
ago, so I thought
> > >>> that would prevent me from losing my voting rights?
> > >> 
> > >> "Regrets" are just nice.... to preserve your
voting rights you need to
> > >> ask for a leave of absence, see
> > >> https://www.oasis-open.org/policies-guidelines/tc-process#leavesAbsence
> > >> 
> > >> Andreas
> > > 
> > > Thanks but I can't help feeling this is bureaucratic nonsense
just
> > > because I didn't put the right words in that mail.
> > > 
> > > Oh well it's not like we vote often enough to make it important
to me.
> > 
> > One does not know where to begin with that attitude. I'lll presume
you are
> > joking but that there is an edge of truth. That said, I'd further
the
> > point by suggesting that the issue could be simply resolved by
you
> > proposing more things that we ought to vote on.
> > 
> > For instance. Right now, we are actually having a somewhat interesting
> > discussion on ODF's future and in particular how it relates to
the XML
> > file expressed but also how Change Tracking (CT) ought to work
with the
> > format. (There is, one might say, some idiosyncratic stuff there,
along
> > with some other code that could probably do with being cleaned
up. But
> > cleaning up here is another way of positing: Where do we want
to go with
> > ODF?)
> > 
> > I'm also quite lame in my updates to this TC and also wonder
even if it is
> > still extant.
> > 
> > Louis
> > 
> > > Camilla
> Hi Louis
> 
> I'm sorry if you thought I complained about the frequency of votes.
I have 
> absolutely no problem with how we work and what we work on. All I
meant was 
> that since it only takes two meetings to regain my voting rights,
I was not 
> going to complain any more about the procedural bureaucracy of leave
of 
> absence.
> 


Hi Camilla,

I see "regrets" as being a different thing,
not a malformed version of a "leave of absence" request.  Maybe
this is a social/cultural thing to which I am deaf.  I almost never
see "regrets" notes in the US.  It seems to be more of a
European thing.  So my interpretation of it may be imperfect.  But
I read it as a courtesy notification that one will be unable to attend
a meeting.

A leave of absence, on the other hand, is defined
by OASIS TC Process, and is a heavier weight thing.  It has specific
notification requirements, including lead time.  And it can only be
invoked once per year.

Since voting rights are lost only with missing two
consecutive meetings, there are cases where it would be pointless to treat
"regrets" like a "leave of absence".  For example
when a TC member misses a single meeting only.  But we regularly receive
"regrets" posts for exactly that situation.  In fact if
I automatically treated these as leave of absence requests then that would
use up the 1-per-year allocation of LoA requests for that member, and that
might not be what they intended.

In any case, as you've noted, we're not voting on
anything now or imminently.  There are only a handful of things the
TC votes on, mainly to advance the specification from stage to stage, e.g.,
Working Draft to Committee Specification Draft.  I think in the lifetime
of the TC we've only had 3 or 4 votes on specific technical issues.  Most
of the times we're able to resolve any disputes by discussion and reach
consensus, without resorting to a vote.

Regards,

-Rob

> I'm well aware of what goes on, and in particular
follow every mail on the CT 
> sub list with great interest. I was on the CT select committee.
> 
> You see this TC is important to me and I actually wrote a mail well
> in advance 
> to say I couldn't attend two times. That the mail turned out to be
> in vain due 
> to not having the right keyword was a bit of a surprise to me.
> 
> Camilla
> 
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