Re: [office] EC Appraisal of ODF Specification open-ness (was RE: [office] Wrong link in the spec)

["Charles-H. Schulz" <charles-h.schulz@arsaperta.com>]

Dennis,

Thank you a lot for this detailed answer. I'll make sure to remember
your PS and completely agree with your PPS.

Cheers,

Charles.

Le Sat, 3 Aug 2013 07:23:53 -0700,
"Dennis E. Hamilton" <dennis.hamilton@acm.org> a écrit :

> To expand on Regina's response:
> 
>  1. The correction is already in the OASIS ODF 1.0 Specification with
> ODF 1.0 Errata 01.
> 
>  2. The correction is already in the International Standard ISO/IEC
> 26300:2006 specification with COR1.
> 
>  3. In ODF 1.2 Part 3 the description has been changed along with
> normative reference to the later IETF RFC, [RFC4288].
> 
> In no case is that defect a barrier to correct, interoperable
> implementation of the ODF Specification.  Furthermore, the *specific*
> MIME types that are for use in conjunction with ODF documents are
> identified in section 1.7 (and Appendix C) of ODF 1.0/1.1 (with
> reference to [RFC2048] and in section 3.19 (and Appendix C) of ODF
> 1.2 Part 1.
> 
> It would appear that the EC approach to assessing how open a
> specification might be is based on inspecting grains of sand, without
> noticing whether or not the tide is coming in or going out.  That
> there was no effort to report or consult on a problem with the text
> is consistent with that and even more disheartening.  Is it even
> possible to know which version of ODF specification that brainless
> determination was based on, especially when there are ISO
> specifications, with Errata, available for international adoption?
> 
> That is not the approach taken by the Japanese national standards
> body, the organization that reported the defect and led to its
> constructive resolution at OASIS. 
>  - Dennis
> 
> PS: When the EC turns its attention to ODF 1.2 the regulators can
> hand-wring on the fact that the Appendix C MIME type for Database
> Front End documents (Table 26) is not "as registered" *and* this is
> non-normative anyhow.
> 
> PPS: This response is not an argument about whether or not the ODF
> specification is open or not. I expect that it will qualify as open
> by any criteria that are capable of determining that *any*
> international standard specification is open.  Whether ODF
> specifications are sufficient for independent interoperable
> implementation is far more interesting to me, and it should be of
> greater interest to the EC in its endeavors to foster adoption of
> open standards.  That would take a serious, constructive assessment
> and investment, something governments (and regulatory bodies) seem
> completely unprepared to undertake.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: office@lists.oasis-open.org
> [mailto:office@lists.oasis-open.org] On Behalf Of Regina Henschel
> Sent: Saturday, August 3, 2013 05:13 AM To:
> office@lists.oasis-open.org Subject: Re: [office] Wrong link in the
> spec
> 
> Hi Charles,
> 
> Charles-H. Schulz schrieb:
> > Hello,
> >
> > It has been brought to the attention of the Document Foundation as
> > well as other European entities that the European Commission has
> > labeled the ODF standard "not open" and problematic in one of its
> > official publications.
> >
> > Inquiries on this matter has led us to receive the following answer
> > from the European Commission: That there's a dead link in the
> > specification at the section 17.7.3 :
> > http://www.isi.edu/in-notes/iana/assignments/media-types/media-types
> >
> > My question is twofold: what correction could be made to this
> > deadlink (apart from its obvious removal) and how long would the
> > publication of an erratum take?
> 
> The correction is already contained in
> "OpenDocument v1.1 Errata 01 WD09"
> https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/office/download.php/49989/OpenDocument-v1.1-errata01-wd09.zip
> 
> Kind regards
> Regina
> 
> 
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