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Subject: Re: [office] Wrong link in the spec


<office@lists.oasis-open.org> wrote on 08/05/2013 04:57:18 AM:
>
> Hello Rob,
>
> Indeed thanks for the pointers. Let me ask you then a question so that
> we are fully briefed on this point. What legal or regulatory status
> does an erratum/a have for the ISO?
>

The EC determines any legal/regulatory status of errata/corrigenda, not ISO or OASIS.  I've seen different practices.

> The way I understand this, the errata was already pushed and so
> whatever dead link we are talking about here has been corrected. The
> changes have already permeated outside of the OASIS, which is a good
> thing. Now does the ISO have a specific process -I imagine it does-
> that would take some time in order to accept and integrate an errata?
>


Approval of corrigenda is a relatively fast process, a vote of NBs at the SC level.  So generally a 3-6 month process from start to publication.  But remember, this particular error has already been fixed, both in OASIS and in ISO.  The ISO version of the correction was published back in 2010.  So it is already there, freely available, for any implementor who wants it:

http://www.iso.org/iso/home/store/catalogue_tc/catalogue_detail.htm?csnumber=55752

(Click on the corrigenda tab)

But I'm not sure, at a practical level, this really solves the problem.   This isn't really about a broken redirect on the ISI website.  I'd be more concerned about the process about how this error was reported and how the decision was made.  If the process is not reviewed then you could find yourself back in the same situation over an upside-down hyphen a month from now.

EIF 2.0 calls for public administrations to be involved in the standardization process:

"Even where existing formalised specifications are available, they evolve over time and experience shows that revisions often take a long time to be completed. Active government participation in the standardisation process mitigates concerns about delays, improves alignment of the formalised specifications with public sector needs and can help governments keep pace with technology innovation."

See section 5.3:  http://ec.europa.eu/isa/documents/isa_annex_ii_eif_en.pdf

As a minimum I think "active government participation" should include reporting any errors in the specification that they believe are fatal to the intended use of the standard.  That then gives the standardizers the opportunity to point the public administrations to the availability of published errata/corrigenda that may have been overlooked.

Regards,


-Rob


> Thanks,
>
> Charles.
>
> Le Sun, 4 Aug 2013 13:05:38 -0400,
> robert_weir@us.ibm.com a écrit :
>
> > Another approach is to report this to ISI (or IANA), that they are
> > redirecting
> >
http://www.isi.edu/in-notes/iana/assignments/media-types/media-types
> > to
http://www.iana.org/assignments/media-types/media-types when it
> > should redirect to
http://www.iana.org/assignments/media-types.
> >
> > The URL we quote was correct originally.  You see it used in other
> > places, in books:
> >
> >
http://docstore.mik.ua/orelly/webprog/webnut/ch17_05.htm
> >
> > in IETF drafts:
> >
> >
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kunze-rfc2413bis-02
> >
> > and in published W3C Notes:
> >
> >
http://www.w3.org/TR/odrl/
> >
> > So it would help more than just us if the redirect was fixed.
> >
> > In general link decay on the web happens.  This will not change.  The
> > best we can do is link to the most authoritative page at the time,
> > and update the link when it changes.  Adopters of standards have a
> > few other options, including downloading copies of any referenced
> > pages and maintaining them in a local repository, as insurance
> > against link Armageddon.  Or they could contact OASIS (or ISO/IEC
> > JTC1) if they had concerns.  Or they could consult a domain expert on
> > the subject who would quickly let them know that the IANA registry of
> > content types is well-known in the industry, non-controversial and
> > has nothing to do with the openness of a standard.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > -Rob
> >
> > <office@lists.oasis-open.org> wrote on 08/03/2013 07:36:32 AM:
> >
> > > From: "Charles-H. Schulz" <charles-h.schulz@arsaperta.com>
> > > To: "'ODF TC List '" <office@lists.oasis-open.org>
> > > Date: 08/03/2013 07:33 AM
> > > Subject: [office] Wrong link in the spec
> > > Sent by: <office@lists.oasis-open.org>
> > >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > It has been brought to the attention of the Document Foundation as
> > > well as other European entities that the European Commission has
> > > labeled the ODF standard "not open" and problematic in one of its
> > > official publications.
> > >
> > > Inquiries on this matter has led us to receive the following answer
> > > from the European Commission: That there's a dead link in the
> > > specification at the section 17.7.3 :
> > >
http://www.isi.edu/in-notes/iana/assignments/media-types/media-types
> > >
> > > My question is twofold: what correction could be made to this
> > > deadlink (apart from its obvious removal) and how long would the
> > > publication of an erratum take?
> > >
> > > Thank you,
> > >
> > > Charles-H. Schulz
> > >
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