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Subject: [OASIS Issue Tracker] Commented: (OFFICE-3854) [graphic-properties] Proposal: different relative size relations

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Thorsten Behrens  commented on OFFICE-3854:

Answering Regina's questions:

> See 19.510.2 <draw:frame> in "The interpretation ...". According to specification, the reference depends on anchor and is:
> anchor in table cell -> surrounding table box (what is a table box?)
Table cell - sorry if that is inconsistent.

> anchor in text box -> surrounding text box
> other cases -> width of page or window
Yes, thanks for the clarification.

> The two cases "page" and "paragraph" are useful in content. But the wording and the description does not fit to the observed implementation. Especially "paragraph text 
> area" does not fit. For direction width, compare anchor to "frame" and anchor to paragraph in body text, if more than two columns exist. For direction height, "paragraph 
> text area" can easily be misunderstood as "area, which a paragraph covers".
Yes, the terminology is maybe less than ideal in the current standard. The point is to stick with existing terminology (cleaning that up would be worthwhile, but then should happen consistently):
For the case that <draw:frame> contains a <draw:image>, then ODF already defines the relation of the position with the style:horizontal-rel and style:vertical-rel attributes.

The idea is that when dealing with relative size, the same relation terminology can be used: in the simplest case when the text frame is anchored to paragraph text, there is no additional paragraph margin and the page does have margins, then the current behavior is the described using "paragraph", while an optional new one (that is independent from the page margins) is "page".

This is exactly the same behavior what one can observe when the relation of draw:image's position is evaluated. Which is a nice show case of inner consistency / orthogonality.

> To make the new attribute only a attribute of style:graphic-properties, it has to be added to <define name="style-graphic-properties-attlist"> (starting in line#16220). I 
> sugguest to insert it after <ref name="common-draw-rel-size-attlist"/> (line#16809)
Yes, agreed. Thanks for noticing.

> [graphic-properties] Proposal: different relative size relations
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
>                 Key: OFFICE-3854
>                 URL: http://tools.oasis-open.org/issues/browse/OFFICE-3854
>             Project: OASIS Open Document Format for Office Applications (OpenDocument) TC
>          Issue Type: Improvement
>          Components: Text
>    Affects Versions: ODF 1.2
>         Environment: This is an enhancement, described in terms of changes to OpenDocument-v1.2
>            Reporter: Thorsten Behrens 
> Improve interoperability with other text processors, by enabling round-trip of additional graphic style properties.

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